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Windows 7: Why Moore's Law, not mobility, is killing the PC


10 Mar 2013   #31

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

No one said we couldn't very well fall into our own demise as empires do fall at times! We are just now seeing the Dow Jones moving upwards for a change.

The rapid progression of smaller and smaller technologies that can do most the same basic things as your typical desktop as far as checking the main, paying bills online, shopping the shopping sites, etc. as well as consumer electronics in general is creating a myriad of waste taking up land fills and in those other places producing toxins into the environments since they lack the regulations on emissions! Or as they say "Haste makes Waste" as we will likely poison ourselves off the planet before anything else.

With even your latest HD large projection type lcd screens you have to have a special large pickup or bring them into a place that deals with disposal just as you would for smaller lcd monitors and certainly any crt you still find. In other places to the opposite they can look like something out of a disaster movie as far as how things are disposed of creating their own pollutions.

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10 Mar 2013   #32

7 Ultimate SP1 x64
 
 

Let's look at some averages...

Computer phones: $135
Computer tablets: $386
Actual Computers: $500-2000.

Yeah, if I were an average computer user who didn't care whatsoever for heavy multimedia tasks or gaming (as stated, the vast majority of computer users anyway), I'd probably have to go with the tablet at that savings too, especially in this still dismal economic climate.

Seems to me that the actual computers price schemes need to come down a couple notches to get close to an even keel.
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10 Mar 2013   #33

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Well surprisingly most uses will have either a desktop or laptop even if not the latest to sit in front of while at home. That's the comfort zone. For those on the go that want to carry something with them all the time however since texting is a common trend all those little smart phones, keeping up with the Fruit company trend of pushing out a newer IPhonie or IPader, or a look at the Android gadgets out now you would think everyone will be switching to...

The Tablet PC is another option of seeing a tablet running a larger monitor with a separate keyboard and mouse. The 5 most common brands can be looked over in a tablet pc review seen at WHICH TABLET PC IS BEST FOR YOU?

Now as you were saying tablets and tablet pcs can easily run much higher if not actually in the same price range as an IPad. I just bought an Android with a usb keyboard included in the carrying case it comes with. The unit has a dislay on both sides one lights up for use when the keyboard is plugged while you flip it over for the touch and swipe if not using the onscreen keyboard there.

I'm still waiting to see that family member switch ISPs however in order to get back to using the 7 HP x64 desktop I built in order to get away from dialup where the phone company messed up the phones between apartments daaa and get cable if not another option like a cellular modem. Now that person actually doesn't do much but check the mail and browse the shopping sites a bit, no gaming but likes the solitare games in Windows you could also play on a Windows tablet but not 8 apparently since that one wasn't found in 8.

The difference of course there is having a no so costly custom case over going out to buy the latest OEM desktop instead where the prices will climb.
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10 Mar 2013   #34

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MagusMagnus View Post
Let's look at some averages...

Computer phones: $135
Computer tablets: $386
Actual Computers: $500-2000.

Yeah, if I were an average computer user who didn't care whatsoever for heavy multimedia tasks or gaming (as stated, the vast majority of computer users anyway), I'd probably have to go with the tablet at that savings too, especially in this still dismal economic climate.

Seems to me that the actual computers price schemes need to come down a couple notches to get close to an even keel.
From what I've seen lately, very decent desktops and even laptops are priced in the $300 - $500 range. The more expensive PC's are for gamers and graphic gear-heads.
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10 Mar 2013   #35

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Well surprisingly most uses will have either a desktop or laptop even if not the latest to sit in front of while at home. That's the comfort zone. For those on the go that want to carry something with them all the time however since texting is a common trend all those little smart phones, keeping up with the Fruit company trend of pushing out a newer IPhonie or IPader, or a look at the Android gadgets out now you would think everyone will be switching to...

The Tablet PC is another option of seeing a tablet running a larger monitor with a separate keyboard and mouse. The 5 most common brands can be looked over in a tablet pc review seen at WHICH TABLET PC IS BEST FOR YOU?

Now as you were saying tablets and tablet pcs can easily run much higher if not actually in the same price range as an IPad. I just bought an Android with a usb keyboard included in the carrying case it comes with. The unit has a dislay on both sides one lights up for use when the keyboard is plugged while you flip it over for the touch and swipe if not using the onscreen keyboard there.

I'm still waiting to see that family member switch ISPs however in order to get back to using the 7 HP x64 desktop I built in order to get away from dialup where the phone company messed up the phones between apartments daaa and get cable if not another option like a cellular modem. Now that person actually doesn't do much but check the mail and browse the shopping sites a bit, no gaming but likes the solitare games in Windows you could also play on a Windows tablet but not 8 apparently since that one wasn't found in 8.

The difference of course there is having a no so costly custom case over going out to buy the latest OEM desktop instead where the prices will climb.
Hi there
you can install all the old Classic Windows 7 games on W8 (the real ones not those horrible ones from the store or those marked XBOX or whatever and often come with adware). You can install these easily on W8 tablets too.

There are plenty of Good versions of spider Solitaire, Hearts and others that work free on Android and are great to have a quick play with when your next Tube train won't arrive for 15 mins. !!

Here's Windows 7 solitaire and Windows 7 spider Solitaire (much better than the rubbish version in the store) screenshots plus the games from Windows 7 on the start menu of W8 (and I'm running W8 enterprise x-64).

Cheers
jimbo


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10 Mar 2013   #36

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

The games are all 32bit and are cross compatible between versions(Vista, 7, 8, may not work on XP). The point I was making there however is that without me building a new case with a newer version already on it that person won't be upgrading anytime soon as a general rule not really spending much time in front of a pc outside of work.(data processing)

When that person found themselves without a working phone since dialup was still in use I ended up buying an Android tablet with WiFi to see if an alternative signal could be received at least temporarily until resituated. Amazon.com: AGPtek 10.1 inch Android 4.0 Capacitive Touch Screen Tablet PC (Wi-Fi G-sensor, 1024*600, 1.2GHz, 1GB DDR3, 8GB built-in Capacity, Front Camera, Support 3G HDMI 1.3 1080P 2160P HD Flash 11.1 Multi-language) - Black Faux Leather Case with

Now to explain how that one works not actually having two screens but two positions in the carrying case. With the keyboard plugged in you fold it up like a laptop as shown there. When not having the keyboard involved however you flip the unit by itself 180 degrees in the case and close it up to see a tablet screen staring out at you with a small border of the case wrapping around the screen itself. When set up like a laptop you would be looking at the back of the unit instead.

Now does that still look like it would replace the desktop? For some it would be cheaper then going out for a new laptop while running Android instead of Windows if you can still that model again which now seems to be disabled since last fall showing how fast the turnover rate is on these types of devices when compared to the vast distinction between new desktops and mobile apparatus. Despite the convenience you can still only do so much on any portable showing that the desktop is still here to stay despite the lack of any tremendous leap in performances when any new hardware series arrives.(cpu, faster memory, SSDs boost but not super exorbitantly.
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10 Mar 2013   #37

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Hum the other thing about waste is the current drive to get us all to use those "green" light globes when ok they use less power but what do you do with the thing when it is dead??

Betcha everyones thinking yep less CO2 and all that stuff but what about the contaminating and very dangerous rubbish they make these things from??

Energy saving light bulbs 'contain cancer causing chemicals' - Telegraph

'Green' light bulbs could damage the environment if dumped in landfill - Telegraph

Recycling Energy-Efficient Light Bulbs | National Geographic

Food for thought next time you break one eh??

To me LED lighting is the safest and not least cheapest way to have illuminating power.
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11 Mar 2013   #38

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

That's what is now being used as the substitute when the old incandescent bulbs burn out provided the new type will fit?

Some basement and other fixtures still need to be replaced since the new flourescent bulbs won't even fit in them either while the old incandescent with a longer neck is needed. The flat after the threads doesn't provide enough space for fixtures in older structure since the manufacturers forgot to those things into consideration when pushing these out on the market.

Likewise forget about OSing any Green Power or similar energy saving drives since the OS will tend to have problems with the programs you install while the OS will still go on and run. The programs are what suffer the most with those while they still are not intended for OSing to begin with. That's a case of newer being less performance orientated and actually slowing things down as compared to the rush to see the next beat out the previous!
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11 Mar 2013   #39

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Yes Anak out here at least the new "green" bulbs globes call them whatever they all have the same bayonet or screw fitting.

My concern is the wretched stuff they make them with and I know there were warnings years ago ago re breaking those fluorescent tubes, just like when we were kids we loved breaking those old CRT tubes little did we know??

To me it would take many more time the waste from LED lighting equipment to come even close to the dangerous stuff that is in the currently promoted ones. I suppose it is a bit like the problem with asbestos we used it willy nilly only to find years later just how deadly this stuff can be.
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11 Mar 2013   #40

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

That's the problem often seen with any new substitute elements when it hasn't been in wide use for some time to notice just what the effects will be. Decades back I worked with stuff that contained lead as well as other toxins while in production type manufacturing to then find out just what from hair analysis I was being exposed to. It would send a chill up the ole spine! Arsenic, cadmium, lead were just a few!
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