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Windows 7: Start8 and ModernMix -- Windows 8's last, best hope for normality

28 Mar 2013   #41
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

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If you go back a post or two you will see I was being chastised for running 8 in a VM. I also run XP, XP64, DOS, 3.11, 95,98,Nt4, 2000, Linux Mint, Kubuntu, Linux Mate and the Amiga. I know a good OS when I see one and 8 is not it. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it. Whether you or anyone else agrees or not is not my concern. This IS a WINDOWS SEVEN FORUM so what do expect us to say?
I could trot out my titles, experience, etc and would that mean my comments on Windows 8 would overlap/outrank yours? Just because you are running several other OSes, doesn't instantly lend any credibility to your comments. Listing credentials on an intern forum is meaningless, and on most boards, makes you less credible.

It is your opinion, and it clearly is your concern or else you wouldn't be arguing in support of it. If it was of no concern, you'd allow others to disagree. If you actually used Windows 8, and went in with an open mind, rather than what the "cool factor" is trying to persuade you to believe. If so, and you realize that you can quickly change the OS to skip the "Start Screen", you quickly realize it only builds on Windows 7...and is in no way a step back. It's the same ol' environment we're used to, just a little snappier, with some nice features added in. I couldn't tell you the last time I looked at my Metro Start Screen thing. Saying is not a good OS just screams out that you are buying into the negative hype and not your own experiences. There are plenty of reasons to not switch from 7, as 7 is a great OS as well, but 8 is so closely related to 7 is defies logic to bash one and praise the other.

Also, for the record, on other forums, such a EightForums, we don't bash other OSes, such as Windows 7. Just because this is a Windows Seven forum, doesn't mean members should bash anything other than 7. That, as well, defies logic. What I'd expect is rational fact-based discussions.
I have Classic Shell on 8 and have put the start button back to the Windows 7 style with a plain desktop. If it was that great why is it not selling?
People don't want it who use it for working.


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28 Mar 2013   #42
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
say nasty things sometimes (ask the wife).
My wife would agree with you whole-heartedly. Please know that I am not putting down anyone running Windows 7. I've been trading comments with you on one of my two systems with 7 that will be staying at 7. I have two that run Windows 8, and I'm just as productive on those machines. I paid for one upgrade ($39.99 when on sale) and the other was free with my ultrabook purchase. Had the upgrade cost been much higher, maybe $100 or more, I would be sitting here telling you I had three systems at 7, instead of two.

As vvcmarttech mentioned, this is my profession, so I'm somewhat obligated to at least try out new OSes and software. I've decided not to upgrade any company systems to 8, simply because of cost. We have 7 licenses, and there's no reason to dislike 7 at this point, so I felt no need to upgrade them. Now, when we buy a new round of computers next year, I'll likely make the switch, as it will be included in the purchase. We're a small non-profit, so I try to do everything as cheap as possible.
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People don't want it who use it for working.
It's not selling for two reasons. First, the new PC market is down, so overall PC sales are down. Second, there's a lot of negative hype out there that people are far too quick to believe. Vista had some legitimate issues when released, but they were mostly OEM faults. When Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien are cracking jokes on late night TV, you know very well that the hype outreaches and outweighs the facts. Microsoft had to create the Mojave Project commercials to break through that negative hype. If you ask around, most people will tell you, once the drivers and OEMs got up to speed, Vista was a decent OS. Sure, 7 ended up being better, especially at it's launch, but negative sentiment can reach ridiculous levels.

My industry is dairy promotion. Jamie Oliver convinced the entire LA school district to remove chocolate milk from schools due to the sugar content, but had no issues with soda. People bought into his negative hype quickly. Once rational thinking and facts caught up, the chocolate milk is back, and Jamie Oliver crossed back over the pond with little to no credibility.
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28 Mar 2013   #43
vvcmarttech

I am running Windows 7 Prof. 64 bit / Win 8 64 bit. Most campus nodes are on 7 32 bit
 
 

I agreed with you that using it at the enterprise level is iffy. However being (open minded) restricting end users to the start screen, disabling the desktop and other apps they don't need might be worth the effort of rolling over. But there are tons of people who are going to complain they are being restricted when they are really not.
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28 Mar 2013   #44
boohbah

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
 
 

lets not forget that the economic climate is not brilliant, people dont want to buy new hardware or software when they dont need it unless they can afford it and want it, also businesses are after a long period moving to 7 eventually they will move to 8 or depending on their economics wait a while.
also with all the 8 hate that will put people off it without even trying it,
i have spoken to friends who have bashed 8 and haven't even seen it on a computer.
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28 Mar 2013   #45
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Jamie Oliver crossed back over the pond with little to no credibility.
He never had any with me anyway. My wife loves chocolate milk which is good for you in moderation. She gets her Chocolate fix and calcium for bone health.
The best ever joke about Windows Vista was by Sheldon Cooper when he had his laptop stolen and the replacement came with Windows 7. He said " My new laptop came with Windows 7. Windows 7 is more user friendly. I don't like that".
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28 Mar 2013   #46
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

I had Start 8 (or start menu 8) on my laptop, but I uninstalled it because I simply wasn't using it. Windows 8 is perfectly fine once you get used to it. Constantly whining about it is pretty pointless. Microsoft has two really great OSs (7 and 8), and you can just pick the one that suits your needs better.

I've survived the anti-blackberry crusades from the last four years. I can honestly do this all day.
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28 Mar 2013   #47
Gary

Win 10 Pro 64
 
 

So you go out and buy Windows 8 and then you install all of these tweaks to make it look like Windows 7. Windows 8 is fugly and will be 9. I sometimes wish I took the $39.00 upgrade offer but then I come to my senses and say Why???
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28 Mar 2013   #48
boohbah

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
 
 

sorry but i dont agree that windows 8 is ugly,
taste is subjective, i like 8, i like the clean look, i thought i would miss aero, but i dont.

some will like some things others wont.

also start8 doesnt make 8 look like 7, it has the windows 8 look with the functionality of a start menu,i chose it over start is back because start is back gave the start menu an aero look which i dont want on 8, i find start8 handy so i use it,
i dont use metro start in fact i havent opened the metro start at all for over a week, and thats about function ,i dont have a need for the apps atm, they look fine though. IMO
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28 Mar 2013   #49
Gary

Win 10 Pro 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by boohbah View Post
sorry but i dont agree that windows 8 is ugly,
taste is subjective, i like 8, i like the clean look, i thought i would miss aero, but i dont.

some will like some things others wont.

also start8 doesnt make 8 look like 7, it has the windows 8 look with the functionality of a start menu,i chose it over start is back because start is back gave the start menu an aero look which i dont want on 8, i find start8 handy so i use it,
i dont use metro start in fact i havent opened the metro start at all for over a week, and thats about function ,i dont have a need for the apps atm, they look fine though. IMO
You have no need for Metro, You have no need for apps, seems to me that you should have stayed with 7. IMHO Win 8 was made for Tablet use as are all of the Windows that will follow 8 and 9. The new technology trend seem to be tablets and smart phones which is why MS is doing this. I don't have a tablet and do foresee me getting one. Now we have Firefox coming out with a Metro Version and an OS that will run on a smartphone.

To each their own but MS should give users a choice when they buy an OEM machine and not be stuck with an OS they don't want. Last I hears there were many, many users removing it and buying Windows 7 to put on it. I can't imagine what gaming would be like on a tablet and I don't want to find out.

To me in the not too distant future all OS's will be in the cloud and all users will have is what we used to call a dumb terminal with and internet connection.
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28 Mar 2013   #50
boohbah

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
 
 

i would have stayed with 7 on the old laptop i had, however it died.

8 was pre installed on my new laptop, i gave it a chance and i like it, seems silly and expensive to buy a new laptop and then buy 7 without giving 8 a chance, i have used 7 for a number of years and i'm enjoying the freshness of a new OS.

personally i dont care what your opinions of 8 are you are entitled to them, as am i.
it is getting boring reading endless threads and posts about how crap windows 8 is when that is subjective.
the reason i posted is to address the balance. im sure people dont give two hoots as to my opinion and im not trying to force it upon them or convince them to like it because i do
all i would say to anyone who has not tried it yet is give it a chance, form your own opinions based on your own experience
dont let people persuade you otherwise.
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