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Windows 7: Ubuntu 13.04 Review: Linux for the average Joe or Jane

08 May 2013   #31
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

Hi there
Most stuff runs but sometimes it doesn't - and that's where Linux gets tricky - even for those with experience of it.

Don't get me wrong - I Like Linux- and use it as a server - however that doesn't stop me having reservations about it as a generic Desktop OS for the typical user to replace Windows.

Cheers
jimbo
jimbo
I do agree on the fact that Linux gets tricky, but for a normal pc user, even Windows can get tricky.

And that's even when they use it at work, and also for how many years has Windows been out, and also that Windows has been relatively consistent for that time too (looks/works similar).

ie
user: My program won't work..
me: What program was it? name?
user: I don't know... It was on my desktop.....


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08 May 2013   #32
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I don't think it is difficult for the average user.

It can be fiddly if you want to things the average wouldn't.

For the average user, browsing, emailing, shopping, twitting, fbooking, etc are very very easy.
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08 May 2013   #33
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I don't think it is difficult for the average user.

It can be fiddly if you want to things the average wouldn't.

For the average user, browsing, emailing, shopping, twitting, fbooking, etc are very very easy.
While it is arguably true, you may over estimate the average user's capabilities. Regardless how easy it may seem, the initial learning curve for Linux is still steep. Especially for the average user, who is just looking for applications and cares not about the OS.

The question isn't how easy it is then, more of a question of what would be the benefit in replacing Windows? In capable hands both systems can be relatively secure and neither of the systems are secure in the hand of average users.

The "browsing, emailing, shopping, twitting, fbooking, etc.," and then some, are already available in Windows that the average users are familiar with without the learning curve. So, what is the advantage in switching to Linux, other than being a fan of that platform?
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08 May 2013   #34
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Ubuntu is following the road they have chosen with resolution. It is, has been and seemingly will be The Chosen Linux Distro of all those youngsters trolling the net telling "Windows is so mainstream, I use Linux" but with too little knowledge to really use Linux.
I remember reading many years ago, that the thing most 'Nix users hated, was people saying they needed to make it like Windows to attract market share. The counter-argument was of course that they didn't want it, and that it wasn't WIndows.

Seems Canonical may have forgotten that lesson?
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08 May 2013   #35
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Iforgot View Post
I do agree on the fact that Linux gets tricky, but for a normal pc user, even Windows can get tricky.
That's not a good argument...
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08 May 2013   #36
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Unity pre dates 8 start screen.

They do it better as well.

There is no learning curve at all with Cinnamon interface.

Bloody obvious to my gran where everything she wants is.

Unity is more for tablets. It is not the same as windows of course- but it is unbelievably simple for the average user.

Hundreds of millions have no trouble with android tabs/phones - they will have no trouble with Unity.

There is no learning curve to speak of.
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08 May 2013   #37
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Quote:
I remember reading many years ago, that the thing most 'Nix users hated, was people saying they needed to make it like Windows to attract market share. The counter-argument was of course that they didn't want it, and that it wasn't WIndows.

Seems Canonical may have forgotten that lesson?
I wouldn't say that.

Canonical have produced the Unity Interface for the average user - can be used on desktop or tablet equally easily.

It is not a copy of windows.
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08 May 2013   #38
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

There will always be those who need to use complex windows programs - they will still have windows. There will always be other groups, too - pro photogs will continue to use Macs, etc.

That is not who Canonical is aiming at yet.

They are aiming at the average user.

That is the vast number who buy $200-$300 tablets or cheap laptops.

Advantages to the user are many, including

1) It is free

2) It is efficient - Ubuntu can run on an entry level smartphone.

3) It is much more secure

4) There are no secrets. You will not have info sent to brand protection agencies, cameras spying on your movie rentals, etc without any obvious way to turn it off - or without your knowledge.

5) Freedom - you are not locked in to a walled garden app store.


Advantages for oems.

1) Reduces their dependency on MS . This is massively important for oems

2) Much more efficient - flies on a decent machine - runs fine on low spec machines.

3.) Not tied to windows license restrictions, or costs
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08 May 2013   #39
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I don't think it is difficult for the average user.

It can be fiddly if you want to things the average wouldn't.

For the average user, browsing, emailing, shopping, twitting, fbooking, etc are very very easy.
Agreed.

"Beginners" and "Experts" shouldn't have trouble with mainstream Linux distros (like Ubuntu or Linux Mint).
  • "Beginners" just accept the OS defaults.
  • "Experts" should already know how to use the CLI (e.g. Powershell, Command Prompt).
"Intermediate" level users are the ones who have trouble.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
In capable hands both systems can be relatively secure and neither of the systems are secure in the hand of average users.
The average user can't really be classified as capable.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
The "browsing, emailing, shopping, twitting, fbooking, etc.," and then some, are already available in Windows that the average users are familiar with without the learning curve. So, what is the advantage in switching to Linux, other than being a fan of that platform?
It isn't affected by Windows malware (which is the largest category).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
4) There are no secrets. You will not have info sent to brand protection agencies, cameras spying on your movie rentals, etc without any obvious way to turn it off - or without your knowledge.
There was a problem with the last version of Ubuntu (12.10?).
When you searched for local files (using the Scope) the searches were sent to an online database.
People complained about that ... loudly.
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08 May 2013   #40
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
While it is arguably true, you may over estimate the average user's capabilities. Regardless how easy it may seem, the initial learning curve for Linux is still steep. Especially for the average user, who is just looking for applications and cares not about the OS.
On the other hand, I wouldn't call W7 a simple operating system. I think many of the Forum users here would know far more than your average user who just skims the surface of it. Maybe members here take a lot of their knowledge of Windows 7 for granted.
Pure speculation: Can your typical user of W7 use or even know about say the event viewer? If you asked many Windows users - when did you make your last system image, you may get a blank stare.

PS: I agree that maybe this thread better belongs in the Chillout area but it wasn't posted there.
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