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Windows 7: Microsoft readies 'Mohoro' Windows desktop as a service

04 May 2013   #21

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

The Corporations rule the world! Or have you ever heard anything on that idea? The real problem stems from only seeing one or two corporations/companies holding the real monopolies on things! MS got sued for IE being included in Windows not allowing for Netscape and other browsers to get in on the act back in the late 90s! A $1 million a day fine imposed? or some phenomenal amount that didn't even put a dent in the MS agendas!

The apparently MS stratedy would be: "You user be Dumb terminal user. We MS be Smart and know what is best for you!" as they succeed in taking the control away and steering you where they want to! For simply browsing the web you can actually use any OS out there! It certainly doesn't have to be a monthly anything other then the ISP's monthly bill you pay out!

Now as far as cable companies they are much like phone companies in tacking on hidden charges once they reel you in with the luster of the promos they have going and then "Lower the Boom" on you! SURPRISE! That $30 this and $30 that for this low monthly fee of this other doesn't tell the full story of going from $90+ a month to over $200! once all the services are added on after the trial period and whamo! They got you good!

As for Linux everyone tends to think all distros are free as well? For home use they are but...

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Managing Repositories for Commercial Linux Distributions

Commercial Linux distributions (e.g., Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SUS Linux Enterprise Server) do not have official repositories. So if you are going to run a commercial Linux distribution inside your Containers, you should create a special repository which will store the software packages of this distribution and enable you to update the packages inside your Containers.
In the example below, we will create the repository which will store the RPM packages included in the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 distribution. Besides, we will consider the situation explaining to you how to keep your repository up-to-date by getting the updated packages from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 website. In our example, we presume the following:
  • The Node where the repository will be located is running Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 (RHEL 4).
  • The package repository will be stored inside Container 111.
  • Container 111 can be accessed from other networks.
  • The apache web server is running inside Container 111 and the default document root for apache is /var/www/html, i.e. the apache web server stores its sites in the /vz/root/111/var/www/html directory on the Hardware Node.
  • The apache user and group inside Container 111 are apache.
  • The http protocol will be used to access the RHEL 4 packages repository.
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05 May 2013   #22

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Hi there
It's quite obvious -- remove service responsibility away from the organisation -- it's cheaper and most customers will just give up.

Is there now on this planet a SINGLE LARGE ORGANISATION where you can simply pick up the phone any more and speak directly to a "Proper Human" without having to be routed through horrendous "telephone menu hell" - with that fake "Your Call is important to us.. " message and be left waiting hours before somebody at the other side of the planet whom you can barely understand just reads replies from prepared scripts without even Listening to what your problem is. It also seems that WHATEVER time of the day or night you try and use this version of 21st century torture you are usually informed that "Due to excessive call volumes all our agents are busy... !!!!!!" while the phone call charges tick up --especially from a mobile.

Just imagine what EXTRA horrors if you have problems with a CLOUD provider -- not only do you have to deal with the organisation that uses the Cloud - but then the organisation will simply mouth a canned response something like this "..Unfortunately we are having some issues with the service provider and are trying to resolve it...".

So even if WE don't use the Cloud ourselves - we will still have to endure the horrors of this type of "Service" as organisations attempt to buy these products cheaply so as to increase the profits for their bosses.

I really am no Socialist -- but I really think a lot of this "Globalisation" has really gone much too far -- and nobody is really benefiting

Simple examples -- Cheap clothing ---- deaths in horrendously poor constructed factories in Bangladesh.
The whole I.T outsourcing and telephone call centres -- people working long long hours in miserable sweatshops in places like Bangalore .
Cheap food -- causing vast amounts of unnecessary shipping and unemployement for home producers - with decent SOLAR and GEOTHERMAL energy (we don't have much Solar energy here though - Geothermal / Hydro is plentiful however) you'll be surprised what crops can be grown in regions you wouldn't think possible. Buying sustainable crops is fine - but the sheer volumes that are involved causes total distortion of Markets, a lot of speculation (although there's nothing wrong with a SENSIBLE "Futures Market") and starvation for the remote countries.

World trade is fine but it needs to be done sensibly -- and just not because some companies can make what they think is a cheap / quick Buck. Remember unemployment etc back home causes myriads of problems such as HUGE welfare rolls, increased crime, lack of people developing new technology and all sorts of other problems that Society in general will have to pay the bill for.

Unfortunately these days we can't separate Technological ideas from Social consequences -- and the Cloud is an area that could have HUGE consequencies if taken to its ultimate conclusion.

Cheers
jimbo
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06 May 2013   #23

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Well look at the bright side! It now won't be just your job that gets outsourced but your personal data as well! And you know who cashes in on all that?! "Mr. Greedy Corporation speaking! Can we help you lose... ???" "What is it with this new dumb terminal? I can't do anything I used to with their new Clod... aww Cloud service!" "Don't worry! We have your bases covered!"
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06 May 2013   #24

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The Corporations rule the world! Or have you ever heard anything on that idea? The real problem stems from only seeing one or two corporations/companies holding the real monopolies on things! MS got sued for IE being included in Windows not allowing for Netscape and other browsers to get in on the act back in the late 90s! A $1 million a day fine imposed? or some phenomenal amount that didn't even put a dent in the MS agendas!
Actually Netscape was one of the first web browsers, M$ liked, but Netscape wouldn't sell, M$ hacked out IE free with OS.
During the Litigation, Netscape went open source to survive and started Mozilla.

After M$ lost the case, they kept going back to the high court multiple times, with extensions like,,, eg How would you like us to pay this?.... M$ drew it out in the High Court for many years.

Now If you think you have a legally legitimate claim, you better have very deep pockets to take on any multi-national company, let alone M$

As for "the cloud" with office........
Well, StarOffice was able pickup doc's, pic's, spreadsheet, etc from any network share and make a doc out of them.
M$ "The Cloud" just makes you pay for the network shares,,,, and now the apps and to use them too.

PS to myself
must remember to turn off NoScript while writing a post..
Otherwise it look terrible
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06 May 2013   #25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Mozilla was the best and smartest move that Netscape could take in ivew of how M$$$$ has been able to manipulate things over the years. Recently they still managed to prevail over the EU's enforcement of offering a list of browsers in the EU releases where people were finding IE was all there was when going to buy 7 new. They slid past again!
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06 May 2013   #26

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Mozilla was the best and smartest move that Netscape could take in ivew of how M$$$$ has been able to manipulate things over the years. Recently they still managed to prevail over the EU's enforcement of offering a list of browsers in the EU releases where people were finding IE was all there was when going to buy 7 new. They slid past again!

Night Hawk

M$ worked a way around having IE as default, well maybe not default but still there, and you cannot remove it totally because it's needed for updates.....

Mozilla and open source was probably the only way to keep there code safe from M$
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06 May 2013   #27

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Hi there
I HATED Netscape -- so did a load of others -- and its re-incarnation into Firefox was a joke with plugins all over the place - and to get the wretched thing to work at all needed some sort of degree in computer science -- however some people liked it.

Mozilla these days has the same issue with "Bloat-itus".

For all the mouthings against IE -- it just works and if Ms want to make it part of Windows why shouldn't they -- it's only a sophisticated File Explorer for Gawd's sake". You can browse local files with IE too just type something like CTRL O keys and then browse to what you want to look at.

The EU doesn't insist that if I install Photoshop I have to look at alternative programs (not that there are any but that's beside the point) or any other piece of software that has alternates -- Disk backups for example compared with the built in Windows version.

Ms make windows - so it's up to them what works and what doesn't - and of course if they are sensible they will try and make as much as possible work - it sells more copies of Windows.

If you have any of the leaked Windows 8.1 builds you can try out IE11 which has about ZERO plugins etc -- the way stuff should be. Plugins IMO should only be a last resort to handle anything fairly rare like very specialized video / audio codecs.

Plugins are often a hackers way into code and the OS itself especially when combined with some crafitily wriiten scripts on some web sites.

If people really hate Ms so much - just use Linux or The Fruit company -- or write your own --it's STILL a free market.

Whatever people say against Windows -- you can usually pick up almost any piece of hardware known to man and it probably can be made to work quite quickly with Windows.

That's certainly not true of Linux distributions and a real problem with a lot of open source stuff is that you can't guarantee continuity from the developers who might get tired of working on their project and go off and do something else really great and worthwhile like save the Gorilla's in the Congo or whatever.

Businesses can't design their software strategy on a model that doesn't offer them long term continuity. Windows for all its faults does and has a large corporation behind it to support the model too.

Don't forget also the sheer BILLIONS of dollars the Gates Foundation has (and still does) given to charity. This money came originally via Ms while Bill Gates was in charge - so it's not all bad.

Cheers
jimbo
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06 May 2013   #28

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jimbo

I don't hate M$

But if you can't question and/or criticize any company or company practices.....
then where is you're conscious and or improvement?
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06 May 2013   #29

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 
Bloat?

The IE 10 installer is ~69 MB.
The 2 Program directories add up to ~11 MB.
You don't need a 69 MB installer to install an 11 MB program.
Where did the rest of it go?

The FF 20 installer is ~20 MB.
The program directory is ~45 MB
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06 May 2013   #30

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Iforgot View Post
jimbo

I don't hate M$

But if you can't question and/or criticize any company or company practices.....
then where is you're conscious and or improvement?
Hi there
I can and do criticise companies policies -- all sorts of companies - but IMO having a go at IE which as I said is only a glorified File explorer doesn't really seem to be an issue -- after all even though Windows is proprietary Ms bends over backwards (no it really does) to help other companies products to be able to work with Windows.

Ms never stopped Netscape or anybody else from making browsers -- proper legal arguments settled in the appropriate Courts are there to judge if any copyright violations were infringed - witness the legal Fest going on now between Samsung and Apple.

After all does BMW stop any 3rd party manufacturer from making accessories which fit quite nicely to BMW's product lines -- the EU hasn't taken BMW to court in FORCING them to ensure 3rd party products work -- it's up to the consumer and producer of the services to sell it as a cost effective service -- and let it stand or fail in the market place. BMW won't stop you fitting for example other racing / sports type rally wheels to its cars and its service agents won't refuse to repair or service them either - and it was the same with Netscape - so long as Ms code wasn't being infringed Ms wouldn't stop the software from being installed on Windows too.

Questions of Intellectual property rights are however a different issue -- it could be that IBM. SAMSUNG, MICROSOFT, APPLE and a host of other companies could get bogged down in this quagmire so I'm sure they don't want to go there any more.

Cheers
jimbo
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