| Windows 7: No, Windows 7 isn't slower than Vista, even at booting |
13 Oct 2009
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| | Windows 7 Professional x64 406 posts |
No, Windows 7 isn't slower than Vista, even at booting Quote: The manufacturer of a Windows maintenance toolkit featured on our Fileforum told CNET's Ina Fried last week that it believes boot times for Windows 7 are typically slower than boot times for Windows Vista. Iolo Technologies told Fried that it gauged the amount of time required for the CPU to reach a "true idle state."
As many veteran Windows users already know, the operating system doesn't actually boot to an "idle state" -- it's not DOS. Since that time, Iolo has been characterizing the time it stops its stopwatch as the time that the CPU is "fully usable," which seems rather nebulous.
The discussion over whether this means Windows 7 is slower was declared moot today by TG Daily's Andrew Thomas, who wrote, "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury: I put it to you that there are no occasions when the boot time of a PC is important in any way whatsoever."
Unfortunately, there is one situation where the boot time of a PC is important: It affects the public's perception of whether the PC is actually faster, and thus better. And as we have seen with Vista, an operating system that was by all scientific measures much more secure than Windows XP, the perception that it was less secure -- by virtue of its highly sensitive behavior -- was as bad, if not worse, from the public vantage point as being insecure to begin with.
The public at large typically perceives the boot sequence of a computer as the period of time between startup and the first moment they're asked to log in. Betanews tested that interval this afternoon using an external stopwatch, and our triple-boot test system: an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600-based computer using a Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 motherboard, an Nvidia 8600 GTS-series video card, 3 GB of DDR2 DRAM, and a 640 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 hard drive. Both Vista and Windows 7 partitions are located on this same drive.
The interval we tested is between the pressing of Enter at the multi-boot selection screen, and the moment the login screen appears. While the tools I used for timing were an ordinary digital stopwatch and my eyeballs, I will gladly let everyone know that I use these same tools to test qualifications at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and my measurements vary from those at the Timing & Scoring booth usually by about 0.05 seconds.
In tests of what I'll call the "perceived boot interval" on the same machine, Windows 7 posted a five-boot average time of 24.214 seconds. Windows Vista, booting from the exact same machine and the exact same disk (just a different partition) posted an average of 36.262 seconds -- just about 50% slower. Exactly how much time is required for a Windows-based system to start idling down and doing relatively nothing -- the "fully usable" state that Iolo is looking for -- typically varies wildly depending on what drivers are installed, and what startup applications may be running. On a well-utilized XP-based system (and we have a truckload of those), that time may officially be never.
However, it's worth noting that in a separate test conducted by ChannelWeb's Samara Lynn this afternoon, she discovered that boot times for a system running Windows 7 with Iolo's System Mechanic software installed were typically slower than for the same system with System Mechanic not installed. This may be because System Mechanic was authored with Vista in mind -- which could explain a lot of things about Iolo's own evaluation. No, Windows 7 isn't slower than Vista, even at booting up | Software News - Betanews | My System Specs |
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13 Oct 2009
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 313 posts |
Wow, this sheds a whole new light on the subject! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq Presario CQ60-215DX OS Windows 7 Home Premium CPU 2 AMD Athlon 64 X2 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8200M G graphics |
13 Oct 2009
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| | Win7 64bit Ultimate 339 posts |
Some people will try so hard to put 7 down and I think some of those people were some how invested in vista and therefore are trying to justify a reason to hang on to that even though it was a poor decision. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Win7 64bit Ultimate CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 Memory CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866 DDR3 Graphics Card XFX HD-697A-CNDC Radeon HD6970 2GB 256-bit Sound Card Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Edition Monitor(s) Displays Dual 25 Inch Hanns-G HZ251 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 X 2 Keyboard Kensington (Low-Profile) Mouse Creative Fatal1ty PSU Corsair 850W Single Rail Case Thermaltake V9 BlacX w/ Dual HDD Docking Station Cooling Air lots and lots of air and copper... Internet Speed 15Gbit (15 Down 5 Up) Other Info XIGMATEK HDT-S1284F 120mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler, LG Blu-Ray Burner. |
13 Oct 2009
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| | 7 x64/ Back-Track 4 454 posts Illinois...India? |
Lolollll @Iolo... Never used their trash software - by my belief - and never will... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP dv6000t CTO Entertainment Lappy |My Desktop @ Bottom OS 7 x64/ Back-Track 4 CPU Intel Core 2 Duo CPU 8300@ 2.4 Ghz Motherboard HP's Own Memory 4096 MB DDR2 Graphics Card Nvidia 8400M GS Sound Card Altec Lansing (The usual on Laptops ) Monitor(s) Displays Laptop Screen. 17' Wide. Screen Resolution 1280 x 800 Keyboard Norm. Cheap Random Keyboard Mouse Norm. Cheap Random Mouse Cooling 2 External Fans, Undervolted, Coolant Hard Drives 150 GB HDD. Other Info This is my Homemade Desktop :)
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13 Oct 2009
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| | Windows 7 RTM (TechNet), XP Pro x64, Vista x64, Ubuntu 417 posts Adirondack Mountains |
Great article QuackPot. Thanks for sharing.
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13 Oct 2009
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| | Windows 7 Professional x64 406 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by Corpsecrank Some people will try so hard to put 7 down and I think some of those people were some how invested in vista and therefore are trying to justify a reason to hang on to that even though it was a poor decision. Exactly. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Desktop OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel i5-2500k @ 3.3Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Memory 4GB DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidia GTS250 1GB Monitor(s) Displays Sony SDM S95A Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse PSU Corsair HX850W Case Cooler Master 690 II Cooling Thermalright True Spirit 140mm & 3x 120mm & 3x 140mm Fans Hard Drives 1x 1TB, 2x 250GB HDDs Internet Speed 8MB |
13 Oct 2009
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| | Windows 8 Pro 64 bit 207 posts UK |
mine boots in 16-17 secs from the bios going of to the desktop. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number *Custom* OS Windows 8 Pro 64 bit CPU Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.2 GHz Motherboard Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Memory 8GB Corsair XMS3 1333mhz 2x4GB Graphics Card Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 OC WindForce Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell S2740L (Primary) Samsung P2450H (Secondary) Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech G510 Gaming Keyboard Mouse Thermaltake TteSPORTS Theron Gaming Mouse PSU Coolmaster Silent ProM 600W Case Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 612S Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 60GB (2.5) (OS+Aps)
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13 Oct 2009
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| | Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 1,702 posts Fruitland, Idaho |
Please would somebody explain to me why this is important. As long as your computer starts up why is it important whether it does it in 20 seconds or 55 seconds.
To the average Joe computer user it doesn't. To them it is magic, and that is all that matters.
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13 Oct 2009
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| | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi 5,149 posts Hafnarfjörður IS |
Hi there
I don't wish to disparage keeness and the willingness of people to do research
but isn't this whole topic a LOAD OF
Cheers
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13 Oct 2009
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| | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 17,869 posts Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
I agree that boot time is not the nec plus ultra. I do, however, question those whole measurements unless I know whether the 2 systems are identical in the number and type of programs that are on them. E.g. a "virgin" Windows 7 with a 10GB footprint will boot faster than a loaded Vista with a 60GB footprint - or vice versa. Stating only the Hardware environment parameters is no proof of apples to apples. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 No, Windows 7 isn't slower than Vista, even at booting problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:46 PM. | |