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Windows 7: With Windows Blue, Microsoft may (finally) do the right thing

17 May 2013   #11

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

"And most, if not all (I don't recall seeing a desktop in use), of the emphasis has been on tablets." says it all! In fact it is actually best rephrased as "All of the emphasis has been on tablets."! Windows 8's gui change has simply been a marketing gimic to endorse the new lineup of Surface tablets to start with. It was made available for desktops and laptops but isn't anything you would expect to see as a major desktop release since it is based on the tablet platform.


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17 May 2013   #12

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
... angry looking Catholic schoolgirls, ...
I guess they don't like W8 either.
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17 May 2013   #13

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
... angry looking Catholic schoolgirls, ...
I guess they don't like W8 either.
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18 May 2013   #14

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
... angry looking Catholic schoolgirls, ...
I guess they don't like W8 either.

Can't blame 'em for that. LOL
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18 May 2013   #15

Windows 7 x64 and numerous virtual machines
 
 

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Anyone can touch a screen! = child Tablet OS for Tablet MS is trying to pass things off as being "oh so simple a child could.... blah blah blah" to cover the fact that the whole thing from the start was about pushing tablets not desktops!

What all this shows is that Windows 8 has been nothing more than a "Marketing Tool" for their Surface Tablets as well as the new Compact edition when found to be an embedded OS except for one thing! OEMs can modify as well as develop their own gui for the embedded form of Windows! Note part of the description from the Wikipedia page seen at Windows CE

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Microsoft Windows CE (now officially known as Windows Embedded Compact and previously also known as Windows Embedded CE,[4][5] and sometimes abbreviated WinCE) is an operating system developed by Microsoft for embedded systems. Windows CE is a distinct operating system and kernel, rather than a trimmed-down version of desktop Windows.[6] It is not to be confused with Windows Embedded Standard which is an NT-based componentized version of desktop Microsoft Windows.

Microsoft licenses Windows CE to OEMs and device makers. The OEMs and device makers can modify and create their own user interfaces and experiences, with Windows CE providing the technical foundation to do so.
The current version of Windows Embedded Compact supports Intel x86 and compatibles, MIPS, and ARM processors.
And as we know OEMs this time around decided on their own to come up with their gui as far as Start menu and things when seeing what 8 was going to turn out as!
I have an old RCA 50" DLP TV still working well that runs Windows CE software. Even has a web browser and it is not impossible to catch a virus there is just nowhere for it to execute to. So Win Ce pops in in the stragest of places. Yes the TV takes a minute or two to boot up and come on after plugging in the AC.
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19 May 2013   #16

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Compact editions are not infallable either. But you will find on something like a smartbook there are places you can't log into with one since the form of IE used is simply too limited! Plus if you don't have a 1ghz or faster cpu onboard that can spell another hardware headache! On average you see one of those now with a 1-1.2ghz cpu and 1-2gb of memory. Some allow some expansion where you pump it up from 1gb to 2gb memory wise but are still not made for much!

For me the place of any smartbook, tablet, or smartphone for that matter is while you are out at a mall or parking lot and need to look something up fast without driving all the back home to get on the desktop or laptop. They make a fast convenience but will never actually replace the desktop platform! Now Way! Hose'

To get any serious work done you still have the need for a fully operational desktop type system you can expand on as well as see made into a productive workstation. You wouldn't want to be trying to work with CAD or some engineering or even planning a few VMs on what? An IPad? It just doesn't happen! Think you can tun a good sized business/office type app on your smartphone?

Well obviously we already know the answer to that one! So you have to look at why out of the blue MS would trash a working desktop concept seeing a progressive trend begin and then go off on the wild with tablet?

The conclusion can't be that hard to figure out when MS has been stressing OS for ARM and Surface does wonders! Then they go out and call it Windows? And then of course as we are now seeing Windows 8 tanks like a crate! You know they are going to need something special about Blue to make it worth the effort.
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19 May 2013   #17

W7 Pro x64 SP1 / W8.1 Pro x64
 
 

I don't know if I'm being a bit too simplistic here but why don't MS take Windows down two different routes that run side by side, Desktop (7) and Mobile (8)? Obviously 8 was a reaction to to the iNonsense but all it ended up doing was alienating the PC users who know Windows inside out and, as mentioned previously, rely heavily on how the OS works for actually doing serious stuff. We're not all cool kids who need to let the world know we can't decide what to have for breakfast.

There are now two markets out there, MS should cater to both instead of trying to shoehorn both into one, it was never going to work. And more importantly, support both products going forwards, I dread to think of the day that support for 7 stops in order to shepherd us into the new way of 'computing'.
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19 May 2013   #18

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 

Hi there
I'm afraid this whole Mobile Vs Desktop thing as far as Ms is concerned came down to Politics and Corporate Egos. There probably isn't ANYBODY on this planet who would agree that a mobile phone type of GUI is suitable for a DESKTOP. So it became "Politics of the Boardroom".

I rather wish the people responsible had seen the British TV Program "The Apprentice" where you get some incredibly "corporate clone-ey" types complete with business suits and mandatory hair gel being sent out on various tasks - usually making a right royal screw up of it and then a stern looking Lord Sugar (he's a millionaire well known business man in England) points a finger at some poor hapless individual and says "Your Fired".

If you've never seen it this link *might* work -- not sure if you are outside the UK - I go via a proxy so that always works.

BBC One - The Apprentice

I rather wish that the same fate would be meted out to the person(s) who commissioned the W8 Metro GUI for use on desktops / laptops. This should also be done on a public TV program.

Incidentally even on a smart phone I find if you install say 20 - 30 apps the interface gets annoying as well -- so Metro itself even for mobile devices has limitations too. If you install say 50 - 60 apps (and some people do I gather) on your phones then endless scrolling gets a real pain and iif you have to re-organise these for decent accessibility on a phone you can see how nonsensical the whole thing is on a Desktop OS.

(I've fiddled around with W8 and apart from the Metro thingy it's not that horrible an OS - but most people won't have the time / patience / skill to organise something that should work straight out of the box. Installing classical Windows applications is also a mess as every wretched .EXE file generates a tile whether it's the main application executable or one that's called from within it. This means often another lot of fiddling around after installing anything -- not what people want).

Cheers
jimbo
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19 May 2013   #19

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Why? Don't you just love all the extra "glamour right in your face" type mentality deployed? In MS thinking "we wouldn't want anyone to have a problem finding their favorite exe files once we do away with any "COMMON SENSE" approaches to our new version!" The bulk of that is simply from every Tablet or phone app being an exe only at times for the small limited platfdrm. When installing a normal software on a pc however you get all those help files and docs becoming "tiles in your face" immediately and what next? Scroll, scroll, scroll your life away frustrating down the tunnel vision. Merrily merrily scroll from screen to screen to screen to screen to screen find Something! daaaaa.... Now as far as two consecutive or side by side routes to take MS only has a "one track mind" in that area! "Android and IPad were simply not going to be allowed to grab up all the market shares even we have to dump...!" is the type of Marketing strategy imposed on the otherwise could have been normal desktop type OS with less features while still offering a few new ones. But some at MS wanted "everything must look the same this time around!" and working the same doesn't mean it works for much! It certainly isn't that difficult to move around once you can figure out the upside down inside out approach being used as well as dumping a 3rd party app on for the somewhat experienced user. The main problem however is that the ones that would look into 3rd party wares are not those that EXPECT TO FIND what is needed already present in the OS! Those who want to customize all the time won't hesitate to jump on Start8, Classic Shell, or some other app if not familar with a guide on how to bring the Start orb/button/manu back without any app.
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19 May 2013   #20

Windows 7 x64 and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
I don't know if I'm being a bit too simplistic here but why don't MS take Windows down two different routes that run side by side, Desktop (7) and Mobile (8)? Obviously 8 was a reaction to to the iNonsense but all it ended up doing was alienating the PC users who know Windows inside out and, as mentioned previously, rely heavily on how the OS works for actually doing serious stuff. We're not all cool kids who need to let the world know we can't decide what to have for breakfast.

There are now two markets out there, MS should cater to both instead of trying to shoehorn both into one, it was never going to work. And more importantly, support both products going forwards, I dread to think of the day that support for 7 stops in order to shepherd us into the new way of 'computing'.
Yep, proir to XP the NT kernel (NT4 Windows 2000)was the business software for power users and enterprise use with security and configuration options to lock down the desktop how you needed it. They merged the two Operating Systems software lines for numerous reasons which were sensible. To me it would make perfect sense to diverge them and just go with 8 on tablets and touch screen laptops and desktops and power user laptops should use 7. I can think that and I am disability yet over paid executives can't or may be won't. What happened to common sense?
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