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Windows 7: With Windows Blue, Microsoft may (finally) do the right thing

08 Jun 2013   #61
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Well the main thing about all this is that the entire concept behind what went into 8 is focused on Tablet! What MS is doing with Blue is trying to find a compromise between Surface and desktop users running 8 so they are not completely stuck with a Surface Tablet gui to work with but even on tablet for new tablet users have some type of familiar grounds to start with.

The main problem however is similar to why Vista got a bad rap at first when MS failed to raise things to the actual minimum system specs required appeasing OEMs who didn't want to budge over shipping pcs with more then 512mb! 2-3gb was the max for most boards at the time with some making it to the 4gb top. Vista like 7 however needed to see the 2gb for x86 and 2.5+gb for x64 stated from the start!

With 8 MS failed from the start by not specifying 8 was geared for Tablet consumpsion while still providing a desktop release as well for each edition. They simply tossed 8 out at everyone as if they had been saying "take it like it is or else!" without regard to the negative reactions of it being seen as another "FLOP CITY" until the marketing results were in. "Oops we slipped! Have to clean this up fast somehow!"


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10 Jun 2013   #62
Faladu

Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Box (64-bit installed) + Service Pack 1
 
 

OK, I tried the Windows 8 trial on my old PC, been wiped and Linux Mint'd again since....

What struck me was the poor help offered by 8 to it's MASSIVE changes from previous versions when first using it, after install, not enough help, Metro was foreign totally and unfriendly as a result.

I installed a 3rd party start button app and even then I still hated it vs. what I am used to, so there was no way I would upgrade to that mess, atm, really no compelling reason to, any way.
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11 Jun 2013   #63
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I had my look at the CP and then RP(buggy as heck) builds and simply called it a day! Even with the 3rd party apps you shouldn't be needing to start with it was obvious that 8 was geared for Tablet/Windows Phone and not addressing the needs of the desktop platform. That also explained why only two not all editions were being released on dvd! It wasn't meant but was still being made available for the desktop mostly to sooth the OEMs still wanting to sell new desktop models with "something" which it sure proved else to offer besides 7.
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11 Jun 2013   #64
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
C'mon -- we all know W8 has some flaws in it - but Windows 8.1 looks a whole new ball game so a lot of the current complaints will now be redundant. Let's wait and see --there really isn't any point in giving the CURRENT Windows 8 a test as it will be superceeded in about two weeks anyway so let's wait and see.

From what I've seen in some leaked builds which have made their way into the wild there definitely are improvements -- and to IE haters IE11 looks really good.

Cheers
jimbo


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11 Jun 2013   #65
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there
C'mon -- we all know W8 has some flaws in it - but Windows 8.1 looks a whole new ball game so a lot of the current complaints will now be redundant. Let's wait and see --there really isn't any point in giving the CURRENT Windows 8 a test as it will be superceeded in about two weeks anyway so let's wait and see.

From what I've seen in some leaked builds which have made their way into the wild there definitely are improvements -- and to IE haters IE11 looks really good.

Cheers
jimbo
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11 Jun 2013   #66
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Iforgot View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there
C'mon -- we all know W8 has some flaws in it - but Windows 8.1 looks a whole new ball game so a lot of the current complaints will now be redundant. Let's wait and see --there really isn't any point in giving the CURRENT Windows 8 a test as it will be superceeded in about two weeks anyway so let's wait and see.

From what I've seen in some leaked builds which have made their way into the wild there definitely are improvements -- and to IE haters IE11 looks really good.

Cheers
jimbo
Good enough to be used in a virtual pc?
Hi there
That's way I'm running it - but the latest leaked build is a few weeks old and is only 32 bit. I'd wait for the real preview -- should be out in a couple of weeks - and hopefully if you are a TechNet / MSDN subscriber you might get it earlier --I look daily --it's not yet on TechNet though.

(I run it in VMware workstation but VMware player is good too and its FREE. Some people like Virtual box --haven't too much experience with that).

Note also that the start tiles and start button system has significantly changed in 8.1 - these changes aren't in the earlier leaked builds yet. Boot to desktop is also going to be in the 8.1 final - so you don't need to even BOTHER with the Metro GUI if you don't want to.

Installing classical desktop apps will generate ONE tile which you can then expand or not at will instead of the current stupid system whereby if you install a large application such as Adobe CS 6 suite or Visual studio (full version) every .exe file creates its own tile and sticks it all over the start screen making post install clean up very tedious.

So a lot of complaints I'm reading on both THIS (W7) and the W8 forums aren't actually applicable to 8.1 which is why I urge people to WAIT and see before rabbiting on about the current W8 which we all know has its fair share of flaws for desktop users.

With boot directly to desktop and custom toolbar for your programs you don't really need a menu any more and the number of keystrokes / mouse actions to start any application is the SAME as W7 with the classical menu.

For example - screenshots shown (From Leaked build --final will improve this though).

Cheers
jimbo


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12 Jun 2013   #67
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Like I was saying the CP and RP builds were tried out with the RP not so much the CP was what was found to be buggy well before the retail 8 arrived. According to some however the retail 8 sufffers a bit as well including what I was hearing from a security specialist who was advising on going with Vista or 7 for a security system with motion sensors and the works.

Likewise I suspect the company would also need a newer version of their software as many needed when Vista first arrived! 7 was found to be the champion for backward compatibility without fuss however!

The suspicion as far as Blue is that with all the negative feedback as well as negative publicity surrounding 8 as well as the slumped sales overall MS had to make a rather "fast move" to cover their... by making the Tablet gui look a little bit more like a conventional desktop to pass by the complainers! Some familiar reference points were needed even for the Tablet OS.

Now for any other improvements you have to remember 8 just like any previous version was due for fixes and other updates. Instead of an SP1 to correct the gui problems however MS decided on an 8 Part #2 or second edition! IE 11 is the go between from 10 that came with 8 and 12 for Win 9 or whatever comes next.
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12 Jun 2013   #68
alphanumeric

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

All versions ran buggy on my two older desktop PC's. The most common problem was that random Apps would just stop working. It never seemed to be the same app twice. I tried a lot of things to fix it but always ended up reinstalling to get everything working again. After a while I just said why bother and put Windows 7 back on them. On the other side of the coin 8 runs great on my fairly new ASUS laptop, knock on wood. I'm going to try 8.1 on that. I'm actually looking forward to seeing if its any better. I found 8 a PITA to use on my desktop, not so much on my laptop. Having a touch pad may have something to do with that. I still much prefer Windows 7 over 8. If 8.1 doesn't do anything for me I may put 7 on my laptop too. If I run the beta I'll have to reinstall at some point anyway.
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13 Jun 2013   #69
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

For anyone with a touchpad or touchscreen capable laptop besides having a tablet they should be able to manage running 8. But for the masses who remain using a traditional desktop even some diehard XP fans the experience with 8 has been dismal where now the reluctant XP user who fist would only consider Vista is now seriously looking at 7!

What does that day? In particular a friend who's better half has a Vista laptop and when his old custom case fell apart my old Vista build needing a new board and supply saved the day! Well for six months until the main drive had to be replaced my friend seemed ok with Vista until some new problem came up that needs to be looked into.

For a fast pc he bought a new 8 laptop from someone else who was having touchpad problem with the cursor uncontrollable on the preinstalled 8 laptop! My friend's solution lately was to order a "7" retail dvd OEM 64bit along with another hard drive to swap 8 out for 7!

You can see the analogy there real fast when he got into 8 and hated it as well as the person who rushed into 8 without looking and then sold a newly bought laptop! At first he wented to wipe the 8 drive completely until being advised to keep the preinstall intact and simply swap the drive out using the new drive for 7 as well as having a spare laptop drive onhand!. He wouldn't be one that would be able to restore the preinstalled 8 anyways plus will be using a larger fastet HD!
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18 Jun 2013   #70
FerchogtX

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3
 
 

There is no way Windows 8 will make it on traditional market... all this thread, all the users over the net confirms this.

Tablets will see the light with Windows 8... Surface may get a place with it... but is definite that Windows 8 will never succeed on the PC and laptop market. Period...

They have two options, repent and accept their errors, or to stay with this narrowed vision... and sadly, die...
This last is the worst thing if you ask me, unless Linux devs find a way to run Adobe software and many stuff we actually need... until that, Apple (NOOOO) will remain in the way...
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