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Windows 7: With Windows Blue, Microsoft may (finally) do the right thing

18 Jun 2013   #71
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
...This last is the worst thing if you ask me, unless Linux devs find a way to run Adobe software and many stuff we actually need... until that, Apple (NOOOO) will remain in the way...
It would be wonderful if Adobe software would run on Linux but, considering how Adobe is leaning toward the same direction M$ is (the cloud), I'm not holding my breath. XI is the last version of Adobe Acrobat that will be available on disk. After that, it will be downloads only. The cloud won't be far behind (sigh!).


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18 Jun 2013   #72
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
...This last is the worst thing if you ask me, unless Linux devs find a way to run Adobe software and many stuff we actually need... until that, Apple (NOOOO) will remain in the way...
It would be wonderful if Adobe software would run on Linux but, considering how Adobe is leaning toward the same direction M$ is (the cloud), I'm not holding my breath. XI is the last version of Adobe Acrobat that will be available on disk. After that, it will be downloads only. The cloud won't be far behind (sigh!).
Say again? Adobe Reader for Unix Anyone for Adobe for Linux since Linux is Unix based to begin with. Adobe Flash Player being another one that is cross platform for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. But that's also the freebies for the freebies! Wine is the popular Linux emulator for things that run on Windows.
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18 Jun 2013   #73
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
...This last is the worst thing if you ask me, unless Linux devs find a way to run Adobe software and many stuff we actually need... until that, Apple (NOOOO) will remain in the way...
It would be wonderful if Adobe software would run on Linux but, considering how Adobe is leaning toward the same direction M$ is (the cloud), I'm not holding my breath. XI is the last version of Adobe Acrobat that will be available on disk. After that, it will be downloads only. The cloud won't be far behind (sigh!).
Say again? Adobe Reader for Unix Anyone for Adobe for Linux since Linux is Unix based to begin with. Adobe Flash Player being another one that is cross platform for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. But that's also the freebies for the freebies! Wine is the popular Linux emulator for things that run on Windows.
I wasn't talking about the freebies. I use Adobe Acrobat XI Standard (and 9 before that), not the reader.
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18 Jun 2013   #74
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I figured as much. But I wouldn't rule Adobe out of the list quite yet since other companies like Steam are now deciding to make a venture into the other OS! If MS keeps going off on wild tandrums in the tablet market many will likely consider swapping OSs as well as Linux having grown more popular over the years from the old "Geek's OS" labeling it once had.

Essentially it would be something to see more softwares developed by the retail companies for the other OS. But! You first have to establish a market place for such things! With Linux being open source however and not a regular retail giant's product(as if we didn't know who?!) things do take time to catch on however.
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18 Jun 2013   #75
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
I figured as much. But I wouldn't rule Adobe out of the list quite yet since other companies like Steam are now deciding to make a venture into the other OS! If MS keeps going off on wild tandrums in the tablet market many will likely consider swapping OSs as well as Linux having grown more popular over the years from the old "Geek's OS" labeling it once had.

Essentially it would be something to see more softwares developed by the retail companies for the other OS. But! You first have to establish a market place for such things! With Linux being open source however and not a regular retail giant's product(as if we didn't know who?!) things do take time to catch on however.
Oh I haven't ruled Adobe out just yet. Adobe has almost seven years (when Win 7 reaches EOL) to make the venture, assuming they don't go totally cloud based. I don't mind downloading the software (much) but I draw the line at cloud based software.
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18 Jun 2013   #76
smarteyeball

 
 

Honestly there is SFA that 8.1 brings to the table that 3rd party apps already do and do better.

Personally I love my customized 8. Stable, smooth and looks damn good.

The metro/modern argument is stale. It's the small things that add up to a greater whole that count and that's what some people are missing.

Tiny little things like Windows 8 Optimize Drive, that detects and then defrags HDD's and TRIM's SSD's automatically. No more remembering to disable defrag for SSD drives.

That's just one of many cool "under the hood changes" everyone is so vague about. Obviously not a reason to change by itself, but then that's just a single example. 8 is littered with gems like that.



Where MS truly failed with 8 was simply by not listening to it's customers. Breaking into an established tablet market was always going to be hard - but they made it harder by ignoring their demographic. Their stale attitude towards it's end users is the biggest thing MS needs to change.

8.1 is nothing more than a glorified service Pack that still doesn't address what customers want.

They also need to entice a lot more app developers. 8 shines on a tablet, but I wouldn't get one solely because the app store is laughable at the moment. And it looks to remain that way for the foreseeable future. The apps aren't great and the store is niggly to navigate.

But as a desktop OS, it's great. Easy to adapt once a few key features are fixed by 3rd party apps.
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19 Jun 2013   #77
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The problem has never been about the "under the hood" improvements as any newer version would expect to see. As I was pointing out before 8 brings in some chenges and advancements for the however "stripped down" form of Windows in that MS took things out that people have come to expect to be there to substitute for what "Metro Wonderments"?

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But as a desktop OS, it's great. Easy to adapt once a few key features are fixed by 3rd party apps.
Easily fixed by what??? "plenty of 3rd party apps"?!?!?! You SHOULDN'T HAVE TO have an immediate need for any! This is where the first Big Fail of 8 begins! They still took a Tablet touch&swipe type gui and substituted that for a newer "Desktop" design which would and could have easily seen the other hidden changes like the revamped Task manager, Lock screen, keeping even an updated form of Start/All Programs type of menu system working from a centralized point but went on tither abandoning what the desktop user requires by not even considering including any familiar what? OPTIONS!!!

Win 8 reminds of me of going to download something from ensonic like their version of Liberkey with a Yahoo toolbar or the latest Adobe with Chrome already checked off to install if not unchecked! The system security here often flags otherwise good programs when that's all you see to the polluted form as adware garbage put in quarantine. When seeing the order from MS for each of the Metro apps it reminds of those options for downloading phone apps!

And talk about Cloud based you may end up seeing some not so bad ideas while in the long run it probably wouldn't be suitable for the average layman to begin with right off the bat. First you have to get familiar with just what will be coming along as well as balancing things like convenience, accessibility, security, and of course actual application for just who?

They killed off Windows Messenger entirely being a long time option for Windows in favor of Skype a 3rd party venture there dumping Windows Live for Outlook. WLM of course was brought in once Vista saw the old Outlook Express ideas of having a built in email client dumped entirely. Well Vista still saw the renamed Windows Mail while you knew when WLM showed up the rest of the story. Outlook by the way no longer has the option to download and install WLM locally on the drive as WLM saw as a replacement for W.Mail in 7.
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19 Jun 2013   #78
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
...This last is the worst thing if you ask me, unless Linux devs find a way to run Adobe software and many stuff we actually need... until that, Apple (NOOOO) will remain in the way...
It would be wonderful if Adobe software would run on Linux but, considering how Adobe is leaning toward the same direction M$ is (the cloud), I'm not holding my breath. XI is the last version of Adobe Acrobat that will be available on disk. After that, it will be downloads only. The cloud won't be far behind (sigh!).
Same for Photoshop and CS suite - the current CS6 suite / Photoshop CS6 are the the last downloadable versions --it's all subscription and cloud from here on in.

Cheers
jimbo
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19 Jun 2013   #79
Sarris

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

The Windows 8 issue is all about CONTROL. The new emphasis is the cloud. They want you to subscribe to programs instead of buy. Why sell you a program, when they can rent to you on a monthly basis, AND control all the content and customizations (if any). It's all about control and money. When installing Win 7, the first thing I do is start the administrator account, disable UAC, and turn off auto-update until, and if and when I decide to use them. Try this with Win 8..... you get an even shittier looking desktop without custom features. MS's way of saying their way or the highway. Screw them, I'm staying with 7 until something better comes along. Now..... if I could get AutoCad to run natively on Linux (wine is a PIA),..... hmmmm. Win 8 is a desktop disaster. I need my computer for work, not play. Could you just imagine trying to draw in AutoCad for 10 or so hours on a touch screen? Touch screen on my three monitors? 2000 = Vista = Win 8..... All crap waiting for a better version, and we finally have it in Win 7, and that's what I'm keeping.
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19 Jun 2013   #80
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I can agree on the disable UAC and auto updates pain in der.... But many say 2000/2000 Pro were even better then XP which is not any surprise since XP was a rushed out replacement for the ME floppinstein. Vista needs to be got to know since that proved itself while unfortunately a much larger OS a much more secure and STABLE OS when compared nect to the XP mares of Blue Screen land!

That's funny how MS is moving you into subscription land while the av software used here is offering a one time "life time" subscription which is automatically updated with each new build that comes along. Now compare that to a software where you pay by the day in a sense to rent rather then figuratively own a piece since you never actually own any software you buy. You only own a license to use a software to begin with.
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