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Windows 7: USB 3.1 Spec Approved, Brings 10Gbps Speeds

04 Aug 2013   #11
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
USB3.0 has been around for a few years now.......but still no native drivers
Hi there
not sure what you mean by "No Native drivers". - Windows 8 (and 8.1) recognizes USB3 devices right from install -- and the speeds are obviously faster than USB2 even when a USB3 hub is attached.

So I'm confused here as to exactly what you are wanting Ms to provide here.

Cheers
jimbo


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04 Aug 2013   #12
Imrankhan

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I searched a week for Renesas USB 3.0 support driver With Windows 8. All my USB ports just supplied power and no device got recognised, even USB Mouse.No response when you connect any device. But they simply powered my cooling Pad.
This is going to be same case for fellows who upgrade to USB 3.1 at earliest.

And also trying to using USB 3.1 as Boot device/Before windows boot, gonna make them mad.
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04 Aug 2013   #13
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Imrankhan View Post
I searched a week for Renesas USB 3.0 support driver With Windows 8. All my USB ports just supplied power and no device got recognised, even USB Mouse.No response when you connect any device. But they simply powered my cooling Pad.
This is going to be same case for fellows who upgrade to USB 3.1 at earliest.

And also trying to using USB 3.1 as Boot device/Before windows boot, gonna make them mad.
Hi there
1) Where on EARTH have you FOUND a USB 3.1 disk drive --- they won't be available for a while yet so you really can't expect Ms to have drivers ready before the hardware has even been seen in THE LABS !!!. Until Bus speeds on the computer MOBOS are also changed you'll never get 3.1 USB speed on your machine even if you FIND a USB 3.1 HDD.

2) Are you telling me that your USB mouse isn't recognized -- USB devices have been standard as far back as Windows 98 I believe and certainly Windows 2000. No drivers etc needed. Not sure what a Renesas USB driver is -- if you decide to use very strange and rare hardware then you will certainly get problems -- mainstream USB devices should just work -- even USB3 ones. I'm running about 6 different machines at the moment and I've never had a problem with any USB device.

The only thing that sometimes happens (and that's because I'm often switching HDD's between computers) is that the HDD isn't shown in Windows -- but going into Disk manager the disk is visible but not assigned a letter. Assign it a letter and it all works.

Did you also look in the BIOS to see if USB devices are supported -- your Mouse / keyboard should be shown in the BIOS.

Have you installed the CHIPSET drivers for your computer. Also have a look at the device manager and see if any USB hardware is recognized.

Cheers
jimbo
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04 Aug 2013   #14
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
USB3.0 has been around for a few years now.......but still no native drivers
Hi there
not sure what you mean by "No Native drivers". - Windows 8 (and 8.1) recognizes USB3 devices right from install -- and the speeds are obviously faster than USB2 even when a USB3 hub is attached.

So I'm confused here as to exactly what you are wanting Ms to provide here.

Cheers
jimbo
Windows 7 forum means I'm obviously refering to Windows 7.....there are no native USB3.0 drivers for Windows 7.
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04 Aug 2013   #15
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
I suppose it means on what you consider "Native". For Windows 7 the Intel chipset drivers have a USB3 driver that works just fine.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Det...?DwnldID=21129

Now most people usually install the chipset driver or it's done via windows update in some cases - so I suppose the meaning "Native driver" is a bit vague. For instance when installing Windows 7 it found and loaded drivers for an HP printer without me having to look for a separate download.

Anyway those INTEL ones work if you have the relevant hardware which is quite common.

Cheers
jimbo
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04 Aug 2013   #16
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
For instance when installing Windows 7 it found and loaded drivers for an HP printer without me having to look for a separate download.
That is totally random though.

W7 won't install drivers for my USB DTV dongle, even though it knows what the device is.
It is named and the properties are listed in the Device Manager.

However, if I install an old driver for it, Windows Update will then be able to locate the newer version.
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04 Aug 2013   #17
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
For Windows 7 the Intel chipset drivers have a USB3 driver that works just fine
So does Etron and Renesas....but these are 3rd party vendors, as is Intel. Native means native Jimbo....as in Microsoft's own driver.
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04 Aug 2013   #18
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
For Windows 7 the Intel chipset drivers have a USB3 driver that works just fine
So does Etron and Renesas....but these are 3rd party vendors, as is Intel. Native means native Jimbo....as in Microsoft's own driver.

Hi there.

OK but then so long as a "generic" driver works from somewhere that should be fine . However it's unreasonable to expect Ms to build in support for every possible hardware device out there - especially if manufacturers deviate slightly from "published specs".

Ms isn't a hardware company so it's unreasonable for them to gather all possible hardware drivers. They do get together with larger manufacturers such as Epson / HP etc so they can incorporate the most common devices into the base windows install.

Actually that's one of Windows greatest strengths is the fact that it's possible to connect a HUGE variety of hardware without (on the whole) too much hassle.

The main problem comes when manufacturers "Badge" their product with one name but source cheaper components from elsewhere so the "Official" software from the site won't always work.

Sony is a HUGE sinner in this type of game --for instance if you look say at the model of your laptop it might say VPCEH150E (That's the VAIO Laptop I'm currently testing with) but when you log on to the Sony site you'll find all sorts of extra letters after the VPCEH105E such as /B / K etc etc and the drivers for each can be quite different --for example the laptop I'm using actually has the INTEL HD graphics but other VPCEH150E models have the NVIDIA set -- total confusion all round. !!!

I don't think it though in general for MOBO's that this should be an issue though because I'm sure if you buy a recent motherboard with USB 3 ports on board the driver utilities disk that comes with these boards will have all the necessary drivers and laptops will already have the relevant hardware installed and working.

Cheers
jimbo
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04 Aug 2013   #19
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Actually that's one of Windows greatest strengths is the fact that it's possible to connect a HUGE variety of hardware without (on the whole) too much hassle.
Agree, thats why its just a great pity they don't have their own USB3 drivers....it would make life so much easier when installing from USB. I can't tell you how many times we have had to troubleshoot installations only to find out that OP's are attempting installation off USB3.0 ports, whose drivers do not become functional until after Windows 7 boots.
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04 Aug 2013   #20
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Pfft, want to see benchmarks. With its ridiculous overhead this may not even translate in a 150% transfer speed improvement.
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