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Windows 7: Please, let Windows XP die with dignity


27 Sep 2013   #21

Windows 7 Professional x64 Sp1
 
 

I think I was misunderstood. I understand that XP support is ending for all XP. I have known that for a very long time. What I am saying is since windows xp will expire, and once it stops getting updates, even though its running in a virtual machine, is their a risk? The reason I am asking is I want to install xp mode for fun, and it would be nice to have it there. But I do not want it there if its going to cause a security issue. Especially due to the fact that programs in xp mode "pop out" and into windows 7. Making me think its possible or highly likely a virus could do the same thing.....
Granted threats are always possible, but I hope this makes sense.

Maybe the security analysts of the forum have a better idea?
Of course, I would like everyone to weigh in on this.

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28 Sep 2013   #22

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Hi there
XP mode could conceivably be at risk - however if you run XP as a VM using something like VMware vmplayer and DON'T connect it to the internet then it will be perfectly 100% safe -


XP MODE doesn't perform well compared with running XP as a true virtual machine --if you don't have a separate copy of XP there is a way to extract the XP system and key from the XP MODE system -- Google for it as it's a bit of a hack and against the rules to discuss that here.

Once you have a separate XP system install that under VMWARE just as you would install it on a physical machine - and after powering up run the "Install VMware tools" application - which will update mouse / video / other graphic and audio drivers and it will run perfectly. You can also Integrate with running machine by operating in "Unity" mode too although I rarely use that method preferring to run as a separate machine.

I suspect though if you MUST have internet connection on your XP machine then use a browser like CHROME since support for the older browsers used in XP will be ended (if they aren't already).

Cheers
jimbo
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28 Sep 2013   #23

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

I have used most of windows OS over the years

I have to say a piece of XP went to vista and a piece went into 7 it's not completely dead it's alive in Vista and 7

As a full OS I think that was the best one they ever produced very lean and fast XP it was nice knowing you but like all things you must walk on into the Sunset RIP
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28 Sep 2013   #24

Desk Top with Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit and Lap Top with Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by patio View Post
I don't plan on retiring my XP Desktop for quite some time...
I'll keep you all posted on how it goes occasionally...
I'm sure it will still work. But will you use it with an internet connection?
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28 Sep 2013   #25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
I have used most of windows OS over the years

I have to say a piece of XP went to vista and a piece went into 7 it's not completely dead it's alive in Vista and 7

As a full OS I think that was the best one they ever produced very lean and fast XP it was nice knowing you but like all things you must walk on into the Sunset RIP
The only real thing XP brought in with was NTFS over continuing to run with Legacy as far as Dos mode and Fat. XP was a rush job loaded with errors finally seeing most of them addresses with SP3 following the ME Flop story which some still say was a good version it's own day. Here I simply had dual booted 98SE with XP in order to keep some of that old Legacy stuff running until there wasn't any capability for 98 to be found.

Now for seeing a VM actually include device drivers for board, video, sound, expansions, etc. one open source program still needs a good lookover called Boch's Supposedly you can drop just about any OS and run it there VM on Vista, 7, even 8. It won't be as Gravy Nice as far as setting things up as you would tend to see with either VM Player or the Oracle VirtualBox however.
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29 Sep 2013   #26

w7 ult 32 and w7 hp 64 X 2
 
 

I have a copy of XP that dates back to 2002, it cost £99 at the time and Microsoft have supported it ever since without charging me a single penny more. I think it has been a bargain. When support ends I will probably delete it and put Linux on. Altogether I have four XP's two home premium and two pro. I will keep one of the pro versions and remove the Ethernet controller drivers as the pc has 7 AND 8 on it. I am lucky to have several alternatives to XP. When I compare XP to 7 and 8 it does seem very dated.
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29 Sep 2013   #27

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Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64
 
 

Windows XP is absolutely rubbish in comparison to Windows 7 and Windows 8, in my opinion, if people have the choice, why do they want to say with Windows XP?

I'll be annoyed, if people start bashing Microsoft and Windows, when the deadline comes and their computers are full of malware and such; Microsoft have gave warning for years and Windows XP is extremely outdated now.
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29 Sep 2013   #28

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by x BlueRobot View Post
Windows XP is absolutely rubbish in comparison to Windows 7 and Windows 8, in my opinion, if people have the choice, why do they want to say with Windows XP?

I'll be annoyed, if people start bashing Microsoft and Windows, when the deadline comes and their computers are full of malware and such; Microsoft have gave warning for years and Windows XP is extremely outdated now.
I couldn't agree more! XP was actually a rush job coming out only one year the next January following ME which flopped! MS simply took an updated 2000 kernel and added Fat support to allow things like set up floppy disks to work proceeding the now much more commonly seen usb flash drive installation key or mounting an iso image. XP lacked what would soon become standard supports.

Besides the fast turnovers in hardwares like drive capacities where SP1 broke the 137gb barrier XP was also loaded with bugs! SP2 was a large help for many but it took SP3 to address much more of the original design flaws MS never worked out in all those years. 7 on the other hand was El Perfecto as far as how MS wanted it to be a success and as we have all seen MS put the effort in and it paid off!

With 8 you may see the quality of the newer OS but unfortunately have to realize the direction MS was taking to expand into the tablet and Win Phone catagories dumping the traditional items(gui, Media Center, etc.) in favor of touchscreen devices. When people started complaining MS took a fast leap at seeing an 8 2nd edition or 8.1 coming soon! They forgot however that the Start button people wanted back wasn't a touchscreen but click on button for the desktop. oops!

7 still has the upper hand in several ways besides that however. For one thing you can readily find at least beta versions of drivers while 7 was still in RC form and some while still in beta. Vista didn't have that success when people were waiting over a year and some OEMs never bothered to see any 64bit drivers there to this day!
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29 Sep 2013   #29

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by x BlueRobot View Post
I'll be annoyed, if people start bashing Microsoft and Windows, when the deadline comes and their computers are full of malware and such; ...
You'd better brace yourself.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by x BlueRobot View Post
... Microsoft have gave warning for years and Windows XP is extremely outdated now.
Maybe things are different in the UK & the US, but I haven't seen any prime time TV ads from MS explaining that.
I also haven't seen any messages when I perform XP updates either.

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that some people, who are running XP, are unaware that they are running XP (despite the various splash screens and logos).
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29 Sep 2013   #30

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

MS won't be using any tv time to display warnings about any of their older products especially those 12yrs. or older even. That wouldn't serve their interests. Instead as any other company would be doing is promoting their latest(Surface and 8 as well as soon to be 8.1).

Now as far as XP machines suddenly dieing for no reason that doesn't make any sense either. You can still run 98 on a machine if you have the drivers as well as connect online using something other then IE 3 or 4, 5 however. Likely if someone had a Netscape or other open source browser made for use on Windows but one of the early versions written for Legacy that would be what would work. Web sites now of course will require at least IE 6.0 while geared for IEs 7, 8, 9, 10, and soon to be 11. Java, flash players. etc. would be a factor there.

Instead of simply seeing each old XP install quit out of the blue instead notification of support no longer available would most likely be what you would see when having the automatic updates set as well as checking manually. Around that time most support sites of course will be starting to archive XP drivers and tools since they won't be offering any active support either.
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