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Windows 7: SATA-IO announces 16Gb/s SATA 3.2 specification

26 Dec 2013   #11
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
but in reality, how much quicker can Windows boot or programs open up?
If I think it, it should be there, ready to go


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26 Dec 2013   #12
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
but in reality, how much quicker can Windows boot or programs open up?
If I think it, it should be there, ready to go
Or even before I know I want it. Neural interface.
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26 Dec 2013   #13
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

It will be so fast, it will tell you what you want.
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26 Dec 2013   #14
garuda

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
Wait for the new NVMe PCI standard to be implemented. The current controllers are basically one queue/one command per I/O. The new controllers will allow up to 64K queues with up to 64K commands per queue per I/O. And that's for each core. It's like having an entire terabyte+ SSD accessible all at once. Speeds will be able to out-pace current primary memory so look for improvements there too. SATA will stay around to support external drives and legacy hardware but they'll become as floppy disks did in the 90s--A slow and limited storage medium.

The breakout year for PC technology appears to be late 2015 or early 2016 and in time for Intel's "tick" processors in 14nm form factor with perhaps tri-layer transistors cubed. The real question is whether hardware manufacturers will be able to keep up. HDDs have already fallen below pre-flood prices and SSDs are dipping below $0.60/GB. SATA is quickly slipping into the hole with IDE.
Well said! You have eloquently summarized essentially what I have gleaned from the NVMe, SATA-IO, PCIe, Intel, et al, industry from my last two weeks of research. I wish you would have posted this earlier so I could have taken longer naps.

However, when NVMe is firmly crystalized and board/case form factors remain essentially the same size -- it will be tough to cram multi-SLI cards and multi-SSD cards on the limited-slots of PCIe bus. The client enthusiasts may have to resort to external PCIe EXPANDER$. Cubix, etc - not cheap! Though SSD prices drop, Xpanders will likely increase; but I could be wrong. And we still keep going to the trough.
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27 Dec 2013   #15
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there

I suspect this type of stuff is destined for Cloud servers etc. I can't see the whole design of laptops changing very quickly in the next few years - especially in a declining market - I like the idea of mega fast storage as I've long been posting on these forums that usually the cause of poor computer performance is due to incredibly horrible slow disks.

Cheers
jimbo
Don't be so sure the PC market will continue to decline. I've seen some predictions the market will increase as the EOL of XP looms closer. Time will tell.
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27 Dec 2013   #16
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by garuda View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
Wait for the new NVMe PCI standard to be implemented. The current controllers are basically one queue/one command per I/O. The new controllers will allow up to 64K queues with up to 64K commands per queue per I/O. And that's for each core. It's like having an entire terabyte+ SSD accessible all at once. Speeds will be able to out-pace current primary memory so look for improvements there too. SATA will stay around to support external drives and legacy hardware but they'll become as floppy disks did in the 90s--A slow and limited storage medium.

The breakout year for PC technology appears to be late 2015 or early 2016 and in time for Intel's "tick" processors in 14nm form factor with perhaps tri-layer transistors cubed. The real question is whether hardware manufacturers will be able to keep up. HDDs have already fallen below pre-flood prices and SSDs are dipping below $0.60/GB. SATA is quickly slipping into the hole with IDE.
Well said! You have eloquently summarized essentially what I have gleaned from the NVMe, SATA-IO, PCIe, Intel, et al, industry from my last two weeks of research. I wish you would have posted this earlier so I could have taken longer naps.

However, when NVMe is firmly crystalized and board/case form factors remain essentially the same size -- it will be tough to cram multi-SLI cards and multi-SSD cards on the limited-slots of PCIe bus. The client enthusiasts may have to resort to external PCIe EXPANDER$. Cubix, etc - not cheap! Though SSD prices drop, Xpanders will likely increase; but I could be wrong. And we still keep going to the trough.
Manufacturers will just have to come up with boards with more PCI-e slots, cases with more slot openings, and CPUs that support more PCI-e lanes. Probably a new ATX standard will be needed.
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27 Dec 2013   #17
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there.

So now the CIA will be able to access 10 years worth of every email you ever sent or received in 3 ns flat instead of 5 MINUTES. -- of course the Police will still take finite time in having to physically find you and arrest you - and that technology won't change in the near future.

Servers etc will certainly make use of the new SSD technology -- I'm not so sure about other devices -- the smallest decently useful Human useable device has a screen size of around 5 inches -- any smaller than that and it gets unpleasant to use for long periods so a fast access device in the phone would be a waste of money - especially as any query could be directed to a cloud server which would have the technology and be able to return the answer to the mobile device.

Laptop / desktop computing is very rapidly changing - whether it makes sense to have this type of technology on individual consumer grade machines is still to be decided - it probably won't make sense as all the real compute power / query searches etc will be done by backend servers. Future laptops may well get SIMPLER in the mold of the chromebook.

Cheers
jimbo
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27 Dec 2013   #18
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

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So now the CIA will be able to access 10 years worth of every email you ever sent or received in 3 ns flat instead of 5 MINUTES
J. Edgar Hoover had no problem dominating using 3x5 index cards and paper filing system he learned while working in the Library Of Congress.

The difference the computers will make is when you try to escape in your boat, plane, motor cycle or automobile the computer will say "Yeah right! You know you're wanted by the cops dude! You ain't goin' nowhere except to jail via auto-pilot!"
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29 Dec 2013   #19
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

We need faster ways to bulk copy/transfer data.

I bought a new 2 TB HDD a few days before Christmas.
It took me 3 days to finish copying and redeploying the data (across 3 HDDs).

To be fair, I spent one entire afternoon trying to get Windows 7 and XP to boot, after I transferred them to a larger HDD (with "Advanced Format").
Miraculously, I was able to fix the boot problem by:
  • Playing drive letter "Whack-A-Mole" with Diskpart
  • Editing the Boot file with BCDedit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
The difference the computers will make is when you try to escape in your boat, plane, motor cycle or automobile the computer will say "Yeah right! You know you're wanted by the cops dude! You ain't goin' nowhere except to jail via auto-pilot!"
Just like the pilot episode of the original "Knight Rider".
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29 Dec 2013   #20
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote:
Just like the pilot episode of the original "Knight Rider".
I never caught the start of that show. I didn't even see X-Files until it was syndicated on Fox. I'm a troglodyte in some ways.
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