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Windows 7: Microsoft retracts Windows 7 PC end-of-sales deadline

31 Jan 2014   #31
King Arthur

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
True of early SSDs. The newer ones are far more reliable.

* SSDs have finite lifetimes owing to their fundamental design, whereas HDDs will almost never die simply from daily routine usage.
Nothing here is true. Current SSDs will probably last longer than you will want to keep using them due to advancing technology rendering them obsolete. HDDs will eventually wear out, some sooner than others.
I was referring to SSDs having a finite number of write cycles before the flash memory flat out refuses to be written to, resulting in the eventual death of the drive. Now, unless I am simply being unaware of a revolutionary change in the type of flash memory being used in SSDs (please correct me if I'm wrong!), this is still a very legitimate problem that SSDs have. HDDs which store data via magnetic storage don't wear themselves out simply by writing data in, at least as far as I know. Again, please enlighten me if I am outdated here!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
...but it's always best to fully understand what SSDs are and what they aren't so one can make the best informed decisions...
You need to take your own advice.
Indeed, and I am always open to learning new advancements. I admit that I am not up to date with SSDs as I should be, especially regarding the firmware. I am aware that SSD firmware has gotten better, but I didn't know to what extent and so I erred on the side of caution.


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31 Jan 2014   #32
Lady Fitzgerald

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
True of early SSDs. The newer ones are far more reliable.

* SSDs have finite lifetimes owing to their fundamental design, whereas HDDs will almost never die simply from daily routine usage.
Nothing here is true. Current SSDs will probably last longer than you will want to keep using them due to advancing technology rendering them obsolete. HDDs will eventually wear out, some sooner than others.
I was referring to SSDs having a finite number of write cycles before the flash memory flat out refuses to be written to, resulting in the eventual death of the drive. Now, unless I am simply being unaware of a revolutionary change in the type of flash memory being used in SSDs (please correct me if I'm wrong!), this is still a very legitimate problem that SSDs have. HDDs which store data via magnetic storage don't wear themselves out simply by writing data in, at least as far as I know. Again, please enlighten me if I am outdated here!...
You are outdated here. The finite write limitation has been shown to have been blown well out of proportion. Tests have been done showing as many as 300TB of writes without failure. It will take most people dozens of years to make that many writes. The 128GB Samsung 840 Pro in my desktop has been running 24/7 for 11 months (except for two one week long trips when I shut the machine down) has only 2.3TB of writes on it. At that rate, it will easily last me 79 to 119 years, well past the hoped for seven year lifetime of the machine it is in. That drive will be obsolete well before then although I'll probably still be using it until I retire the machine. The SSD I recently put in my notebook will probably be able to last 200 years since it doesn't get heavy usage even though it being used for both the OS and data. Obviously, I won't use it that long. As long as one takes precautions to avoid excessive, unnecessary writes, such as not defragging them (SSDs don't need defragging anyway), they will last longer than most people will need them to last, even with heavy usage.

Again, many of your allegations were true of the first generations of SSDs but they have come a long, long way since then.

Writing data on to a HDD will not wear it out. Spinning the platters will eventually wear out the bearings.
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31 Jan 2014   #33
A Guy

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Don't know about the estimated life But

9317.5 GB = 9.09912 TB

So far so good

A Guy


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31 Jan 2014   #34
Fantail

7 x64 | 7 x64
 
 

That ssdlife utility looks cool, will have to check it out.
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31 Jan 2014   #35
Lady Fitzgerald

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fantail View Post
That ssdlife utility looks cool, will have to check it out.
It doesn't work with all SSDs, such as my 840 Pro.

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31 Jan 2014   #36
greebal

7 Pro x64 SP1
 
 

Works with my 840 pro

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31 Jan 2014   #37
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

I don't think SMART counts bytes. It keeps track of accesses though. Each access can be 512 or 4096 bytes depending on the drive. I'm gong on 11.4 Trillion accesses since I built this system three years ago. I'll let someone else do the math on byte count. Not to mention there's over 12,000 hours on it. I've used only 2% of it's life. I'll be on to a new system, or buried, before it's used up.

I made one firmware (FW) update when I first got the drive. But in all fairness, I think I'm behind one FW update; However, it it ain't broke don't fix it.


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31 Jan 2014   #38
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fantail View Post
That ssdlife utility looks cool, will have to check it out.
It doesn't work with all SSDs, such as my 840 Pro.

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You (and myself) have an older version which didn't read my 840 Pro either. Latest is ver. 2.3.56. This is a c|net download, but check the Direct Download Link under the big d/l button, it's a clean exe file.
SSDLife Free - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com

Just scanned....
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2...is/1391188291/

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31 Jan 2014   #39
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fantail View Post
That ssdlife utility looks cool, will have to check it out.
It doesn't work with all SSDs, such as my 840 Pro.

Attachment 304263
You (and myself) have an older version which didn't read my 840 Pro either. Latest is ver. 2.3.56. This is a c|net download, but check the Direct Download Link under the big d/l button, it's a clean exe file.
SSDLife Free - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com

Just scanned....
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/2...is/1391188291/

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Thanks for the update. Here is my latest scan:

Microsoft retracts Windows 7 PC end-of-sales deadline-ssdlife.jpg

Based on the results of the scan and the amount of actual writes already made on the drive (as reported by Samsung Magician), Samsung is claiming only around 20TB of write life for the 840 Pro. The test I linked earlier shows actual results of 15X more. Manufacturers are reputed to be very conservative with their life estimates; this scan certainly supports that. Even a 2022 expected demise is two to three years more than I want for the machine it is in. Well before 2019, I will have replaced the spinners I currently have with ones with more capacity.


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31 Jan 2014   #40
Fantail

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Checked out that utility. Nifty.


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