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Windows 7: Windows designer explains why Windows 8 is such a mess

19 Feb 2014   #11
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I agree with this guy who left a comment on that site 100%:

wtphuckdisisstupid12 hours ago
I call Total and utter B.S.
If what Jacob Miller is saying were true, Microsoft never would have told their engineers to go in an remove the registry hack that allowed power-users to circumvent the Metro-Sexual interface and go straight to the Windows 7 desktop.
Microsoft pulled the Metro-only stunt for one simple reason, and that was to create vendor-lock-in by herding casual users, power-uses, and software developers to a proprietary API that was 100% controlled by Microsoft, where any software written for it would not be portable, and would have to be sold (to masses) on the Microsoft Store, and where Microsoft would collect 20% or 30%, depending, of the gross sales of all software sold on the Store.
Period.
Quit listening to Microsoft.
You can go to anyone in the world, explain to them how the software industry works, and ask them, "What is Microsoft's angle in all of this", and that person, utterly oblivious to what a kernel, or GPU, or whatever is...will tell you what I wrote above, because it is so obvious, it's embarrassing.


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19 Feb 2014   #12
GEWB

Several flavors of Linux (Mint primary) / 32bit XP, Win7 HomeP / 64bit Win7 Pro, Ultimate / 64Win8.1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I agree with this guy who left a comment on that site 100%:

wtphuckdisisstupid12 hours ago
...and would have to be sold (to masses) on the Microsoft Store, and where Microsoft would collect 20% or 30%, depending, of the gross sales of all software sold on the Store.
Follow the money.

Regards,
GEWB
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19 Feb 2014   #13
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

This statement really bothered me:

Miller explicitly says that Windows 9 will be to Windows 8 what Windows 7 was to Vista.

Win 7 essentially was a cleaned up version of Vista with some significant improvements. Miller's statement suggests to me Win 9 will be just a cleaned up version of Win 8, mayhap with some significant improvements (I'm not holding my breath on that part though). Making a cleaned up version of win 8 with significant improvements would the same as giving a pig a bath and putting lipstick on it. That may have worked with Miss Piggy but it will not for an OS.
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19 Feb 2014   #14
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

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19 Feb 2014   #15
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

It does not matter what they comment. Fact is that the Metro is fine for touchscreens and tablets but a pain for traditional desktops. And even on tablets, I like Android better. I have both and can compare.
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19 Feb 2014   #16
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
This statement really bothered me:

Miller explicitly says that Windows 9 will be to Windows 8 what Windows 7 was to Vista.

Win 7 essentially was a cleaned up version of Vista with some significant improvements. Miller's statement suggests to me Win 9 will be just a cleaned up version of Win 8, mayhap with some significant improvements (I'm not holding my breath on that part though). Making a cleaned up version of win 8 with significant improvements would the same as giving a pig a bath and putting lipstick on it. That may have worked with Miss Piggy but it will not for an OS.
To be honest though, a properly finished and refined Metro ecosystem where it doesn't rely on Desktop/Explorer for anything (hello Control Panel!) would actually be a step in the right direction for Metro.

Granted, it will come at the cost of killing off Desktop/Explorer even further, but that's what MS ultimately wants right?

Note: This assumes MS isn't smart enough to realize they could just duplicate configuration options (among other things) in both environments, rather than just moving stuff from one to the other.
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20 Feb 2014   #17
TanyaC

Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon | Win 7 Ult x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OvenMaster View Post
Sounds rather condescending to me, almost as if M$ considered the average user unable or unwilling to learn to use a computer properly, so they decided to dumb it down.
And in the process confused the hell out out of everyone.. particularly those they dumbed it down for..

Microsoft has a history of not listening and taking things in a direction they want. To hell with the millions of people who pay billions for their flawed products.

Reading this drivel about "Microsoft if listening very hard" literally makes me ill.

Although, I must admit, the education standards these days are so low almost globally, that M$ may have figured if they want anyone to be using their products in 10 years, they have to dumb it down because the next generation won't be capable of independent thought anyway, and certainly won't have the depth of thinking to be able to use anything more complex.
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20 Feb 2014   #18
Dallas 7

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
And MS still does not want to listen. They would have done better to shut up.
And there you have it. Microsoft doesn't care, and they don't even want to hear about it.
Funny, I feel the same way about their touchscreen/metro tablet interface.
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20 Feb 2014   #19
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
actually the whole mobile phone type of OS is showing its limitations with the tile scrolling selection method on the latest set of smart phones / tablets -- if you load several dozen applications it becomes harder and harder to find these without an incessant amount of scrolling --remember also a lot of phones also come "equipped(?)" with a lot of bloatware too adding to the number of apps. Even scrolling 4 or 5 times irritates me beyond measure.

To suggest that this type of interface was in any way shape or form suited to a decent working DESKTOP OS was just PLAIN BONKERS. The people who designed it must have been smoking that funny smelling tobacco that you find in Amsterdam's famous coffee shops.

Windows 8.1 improves the mix a bit but for most people who want more than just simple consumption stuff on their devices then a proper OS like W7 is what's needed. W8.1 redresses the balance a bit especially with custom toolbars where you can design quite a convenient cascading menuing system without adding any 3rd party stuff.

However very few enterprises are bothering with W8/8.1 -- most I know who are upgrading their XP / W2003 systems are basing it on W7 type OS'es.

Maybe Ms will have learned by W9 -- give users the choice -- at install (or even at boot time) choose between "classical desktop" or mobile interface. With large multi screen setups that people have these days running apps in Full screen mode only is absolutely idiotic in most cases.

(example of using cascading (mult-level) menuing via custom toolbar in W8.1).

The idea also that you can create a "Vendor Lock" is also ludicrous -- people will find all sorts of ways around that -- for example many people say buy e-books from amazon and use any number of the "available tools" to de-drm stuff to use on other devices such as tablets or even phones. - I've bought books from amazon - but I happen to like my Sony e-reader better than the kindle --it also had external micro SDHC card. Well with well known tools I convert the book into epub for loading on to the Sony. -Why shouldn't I --I've paid for the book and don't want to carry extra devices around.

Cheers
jimbo


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20 Feb 2014   #20
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Hi there,

Jimbo, please don't beat around the bush, say what you mean.

(I agree with all of your points too.)
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