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Windows 7: Windows designer explains why Windows 8 is such a mess

20 Feb 2014   #21
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

I tried to visualize the equivalent of the menu Jimbo showed as it would appear in the Modern UI and immediately became dizzy and got a headache.


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21 Feb 2014   #22
gregrocker

 

Is this guy still with the company? If so it might explain why there is no effort to save themselves from New Coke, doubling down on the worst product rollout disaster in history.

I also didn't want to believe that they would be trying to kill off the desktop which they'd built to perfection in Win7 for a billion customers and which drives the world economy. But Win8 sure comes close to it. Then I got my new copy of Surface Pro at MVP Summit and spent hours trying to find the Desktop - finally I came across it as the background for the Control Panel (also hidden). There it was hiding behind the Control panel, with access to it if you closed the Control Panel itself.

This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness, as in the ridicule being heaped on this guys explanations. The plan was nailed here by SIW2 early on: wannabe-Apple app subscription vending (except that they're crApps) eventually with the OS being subscription too. How's that workin out for ya?

Save yourselves! Give all users stuck with the Win8 phone app UPgrade rights to Win7 asap, put Win7 with SP2 (or call it WIn9) on new PC's immediately. Offer Win8 only on touchscreens, or for retail sale. This is how to begin to save yourselves, from ridicule and as a company offering more than Xbox.
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22 Feb 2014   #23
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Another good post Greg. It's called not seeing the forest for the trees. Or shooting your foot off. Or cutting off your nose to spite your face, MS id doing them all, and quite well, unfortunately for computer users.
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22 Feb 2014   #24
TanyaC

Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon | Win 7 Ult x64
 
 

Does anyone know if any M$ people read this and other forums like this?

Surely they would be extremely embarrased to see the types of comments that go around about the company. Or are they so far off reality and bereft of conscience that these sorts of comments run off like water off a ducks back?
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22 Feb 2014   #25
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TanyaC View Post
Does anyone know if any M$ people read this and other forums like this?

Surely they would be extremely embarrased to see the types of comments that go around about the company. Or are they so far off reality and bereft of conscience that these sorts of comments run off like water off a ducks back?
The second one.
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22 Feb 2014   #26
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TanyaC View Post
Does anyone know if any M$ people read this and other forums like this?

Surely they would be extremely embarrased to see the types of comments that go around about the company. Or are they so far off reality and bereft of conscience that these sorts of comments run off like water off a ducks back?
PC monitors don't have Braille yet, so I suppose they miss all of these discussions.
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22 Feb 2014   #27
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

M$ read thus forums??
What the big bosses, direction leaders?

If M$ are still in profit, then what's the problem.

If you look at the possible profit if M$ go the Fruit way.. well not so much now maybe, but the expected returns?? well

At present, If you don't like Win8/8.1/8.2 then what will they go for.....? the fruity puter? or Win7?

So M$ are not really loosing that much.... even if they want to be stubborn.
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22 Feb 2014   #28
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
........Surface Pro at MVP Summit and spent hours trying to find the Desktop - finally I came across it.....
I hate windows 8 too, but you took hours to find it? Please tell me that is an exaggeration. I took 10 seconds tops.
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22 Feb 2014   #29
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

A software development group rarely listens to the users for the simple reason that the users are usually 5 years behind their strategy and thinking. In my 35 years of operating system development I have rarely seen customer input that was integrated into any development plan.

Now that does not mean that mistakes were not corrected. But when it came to strategy and direction, the customers had really very little influence.

I remember being on a task force where we travelled around the world in small groups during 4 weeks visiting many Fortune 500 companies. We were looking for inputs for our future product strategies - technical and Ts&Cs. The trips were very pleasant because we were often invited to lush dinners - but the inputs we received were very meager. The customers were mostely concerned with their daily problems and brought up a lot of nits and lice. But the impact on what we were doing was quasi nil.

The same happens here. MS has a strategy for the future (at least I hope so) and we are moaning about the start menu and other nits. I don't think that will impress them a lot.
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22 Feb 2014   #30
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
........Surface Pro at MVP Summit and spent hours trying to find the Desktop - finally I came across it.....
I hate windows 8 too, but you took hours to find it? Please tell me that is an exaggeration. I took 10 seconds tops.
LOL, that can happen. The first time I had a Nexus 7 in my hand I was also lost. I did not know that you had to swipe the thing sideways.
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