| Windows 7: Windows 7 less annoying, but also less secure? |
31 Jan 2009
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Scotland |
Windows 7 less annoying, but also less secure? Microsoft's efforts to make Windows 7 less annoying than Vista may also be making it less secure than its predecessor.
With Windows Vista, the operating system popped up a warning any time a major change was being made to the system, whether by the OS or by a third-party application. With Windows 7, users can choose how often to be notified, with the current default set to notify only when a third-party application is making a change. Windows 7 less annoying, but also less secure? | Beyond Binary - CNET News | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Phenom II x4 Motherboard Gigabyte 880 Memory 8GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce HD Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU Thermalake 550w Case XCase Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Internet Speed 8MB |
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#2 | | Windows7 beta 7000 Oaxaca, Mexico |
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. People demanded secure, got Vista, hated the nagging. The odd thing is the only people who couldn't figure out how to turn the nagging off were the ones who both needed it and hated it the most. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows7 beta 7000 CPU Intel E6550 Motherboard Intel DP35DP Memory 8Gb Graphics Card Nvidia 8500 GT Sound Card Intel onboard sound Monitor(s) Displays Two Gateway 22" LCD monitors Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Hard Drives Two 500Gb 7200rpm SATA |
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Scotland |
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Phenom II x4 Motherboard Gigabyte 880 Memory 8GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce HD Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU Thermalake 550w Case XCase Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Internet Speed 8MB |
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
With any form of security you "pays your Money, and takes your choice" As you say M$ are on a Lose / Lose with this particular one. Those people who know how important UAC, can be, and mostly accept the prompts as part of a secure system, are the ones most qualified to live without it. Those who need it are the ones who complain.
At least by providing a layered level of protection M$ are providing a better option than Vista's All or None approach. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
31 Jan 2009
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#5 | | |
Hi,
It seems , on the lower settings at least, to only provide an illusion of protection - still that's no worse than XP - which didn't have anything like it.
Strange M$ are refusing to acknowledge it as a flaw, perhaps not, sales is what they are after.
Perhaps reintroducing the secure desktop element would still allow the prompts to be set to a less annoying level and provide a good level of security.
Unfortunately, Norton UAC Tool - brilliant for Vista - gives a superb combination of protection and prompt levels , won't install on 7.
This is what it does :
The Norton UAC tool allows an application to run with silently-elevated privileges only in a specific context, one previously approved by the user with the "don't ask again" check box selected.
This means that there is a difference between regedit.exe launched from the start->run box, regedit.exe originating from a shortcut double-click, and regedit.exe launched from a double click on a .reg file (and the context actually changes with each .reg file), and regedit.exe launched by an application (malicious or not).
Given the contextual awareness of Norton UAC tool's automatic responses, the Norton UAC tool provides a usability improvement over Vista's default UAC prompts, while maintaining obvious security improvements in the Vista kernel (such as isolation, file/registry virtualization, and user interface privilege isolation) that are all disabled when UAC is disabled.
Sounds complicated, but it is child's play to use.
SIW2 | My System Specs | | OS Vista x64 / 7 X64 CPU E8400 Motherboard ASRock 1333 GLAN R2.0 Memory 2x1 gb 800mhz Graphics Card 9500gt 1gb Case Coolermaster Cooling Winpower 500w Hard Drives Maxtor 160gb-2mb cache |
31 Jan 2009
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Scotland |
I wouldn't put Norton on my dogs' computer. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD Phenom II x4 Motherboard Gigabyte 880 Memory 8GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce HD Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU Thermalake 550w Case XCase Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Internet Speed 8MB |
31 Jan 2009
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#7 | | Windows ME, WIndows XP Media 2005, Mandriva, WIndows 7-64bit |
One freebie I use alot and like to help monitor any start up add on's and similar is WinPatrol.. WinPatrol - Free software downloads and reviews - CNET Download.com Runs or guards from any program trying to change certain aspects of my system and is pretty relaible (And even barks when you click his Icon lol). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Customed X 4 OS Windows ME, WIndows XP Media 2005, Mandriva, WIndows 7-64bit CPU 3800X2, 9850 Amdx4, P4 1.6, C2D Motherboard ABIT/Foxconn Memory 8 Gigs 1066, 4 gigs 800, 2 gigs 800, 256 megs Rdram Graphics Card 9800GT, 7900Gs, 6600Gt Sound Card Realtech Monitor(s) Displays 26" Lcd. 19" Lcd Screen Resolution 1680x1050, 1280x1024 Keyboard Saitek - Eclipse Mouse Logiteck - Trackball PSU 700 Ocz Ultimate Case Hush (Nzxt), XCruiser (Aspire), Thermaltake X-7000, Guardian Cooling Artic-64, Thermaltake G/O Hard Drives 1 Tb/640Gb
250 Gb
160Gbx2
30 Gig Internet Speed Cable |
31 Jan 2009
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#8 | | Win7 Ultimate x64 on Desktop / Win7 Ultimate x86 on laptop / Win7 x86 Starter on Netbook UK |

Quote: Originally Posted by echrada I wouldn't put Norton on my dogs' computer. I agree with that. Memory/resource hungry piece of junk! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dilithium Computers/Engineering (Myself) Star date 42.739285.5432.9 OS Win7 Ultimate x64 on Desktop / Win7 Ultimate x86 on laptop / Win7 x86 Starter on Netbook CPU AMD Phenom 965 X4 3.4Ghz cpu Black Edition Motherboard Gigabyte 790XT Memory 12 Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidea Gforce GTX 470 Sound Card Onboard Realtek hi-fi Monitor(s) Displays Lg 3D led 23" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech wireless K350 Mouse Inferno gaming mouse PSU OCZ 700W GameXstream Case Artec 10000 Cooling On board + many case fans Hard Drives Loads maxstore sata 1 & 2/ loads of partitions + 1Tb Hitachi sata 2. 256Gb Crucial ssd. Internet Speed Talk talk. 10Mb Other Info My PC was hand built with matchsticks. xbox 360 controller. Printers,fax......... |
31 Jan 2009
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 8 64bit Pembrokeshire, South Wales, UK |
I wouldn't have it anywhere near my machines but I have read that the new version is a lot better behaved and not so hungry on resource's | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Zoostorm Desktop/ Asus K55A Notebook PC OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 8 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @ 2400 MHz/Intel B820,1.7GHz Motherboard Foxconn 45CMX/45GMX/45CMX-K/Asus Memory 2048 MB (2 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM)/8GB 2 x 4GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel Corp 82945G Integrated Graphics Controller/Intel Sound Card Onboard Realtek/Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Hanns.G HH221 22" inches Widescreen/Asus 15.6 Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080/1366 x 768 Keyboard Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (UK)/Inbuilt Mouse Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse/Touchpad Hard Drives ExcelStor (250GB)/Asus Internet Speed Just under 4MB download it's ADSL. Antivirus MSE/MSE Browser IE10/IE10 Other Info Epson Stylus SX415 All-in-one Printer,
Seagate Expansion 500GB External Desktop Drive
USB2 HDD Enclosure |
31 Jan 2009
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#10 | | XP/Vista/Windows 7 builld 7000 Nova Scotia Canada |
i'll put my other hat on now. one of the big beefs from the system/network administrators point of view has always been the inability to with confidence lock down a microsoft based system. the trade off being that some accessability was necessary for the network based systems to perform their tasking. personally, I want to know every time some app, especially a third party app attempts to make a change to a system. third party software publishers do a whole lot less testing than they did even six or seven years ago. i find it amazing what some applications attempt to do once installed having what seems an inordinate inherant right to by default gain accessabiltity to your platform. mobile computing compounds that, where we need survey non secure platforms regularly because business users tend to do one thing and say another despite warnings from consultant on the dangers of turning a blind eye but still retaining network wide access. occasionally we have been forced to play hardball, and end users tend not to like it. our own network, well, if it wasn't installed in shop, your chances of getting onto the network are zero. business machines are just that, vids and mp3's and pics of your dog belong on ipods. if software is making changes, i want to know why. unfortunately, where software providers, including microsoft fail in this regard is the lack of documention regarding the consequences of loading a particular piece of software. you only in a network environment make that mistake once.
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