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Windows 7: Clicking 'Like' can cancel your right to sue a company

18 Apr 2014   #11
ThrashZone

Win-7 H-Prem-x64 Linux-Mint-Mate 17.1x64
 
 

Wonder if they'll start printing that on their products


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18 Apr 2014   #12
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
e.g. not a child or cat :-)

The GaMERCaT - Does Not Compute
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18 Apr 2014   #13
lehnerus2000

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

This is why the US shouldn't be allowed to set the rules for international business practices.

The US Government lets Corporations get away with (basically) every scam their legal departments attempt (GFC anyone?).
"Government of the Corporations, by the Corporations, for the Corporations."

I even heard one nut job (US politician or banker) say the GFC was caused because the US Government passed laws against criminal behaviour, so banks were forced to invent new ways to act in a criminally irresponsible manner.
[Obviously the "C" word wasn't mentioned.]

Our cowardly politicians basically kowtow to anything that the US allows/pushes (TPP, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, etc.).

On the bright side, soon we will be kowtowing to the Chinese Government's business regulations.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss ..."

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18 Apr 2014   #14
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

NEWS! The US does not set international practices. Any US company that operates outside of the US must adhere to whatever local law they operate in. The EU was not a US invention and as I understand it isn't well liked in Europe.

MS tried to exert it's US muscle over there and has been fines and sanctioned a few times.
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18 Apr 2014   #15
lehnerus2000

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

Something weird happened.
See post #18.
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18 Apr 2014   #16
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Well crap Peter, here I though it was Australia that cause the US big problems. All your link are crap pertaining to the stupid SOPA stuff, not businesses practices. We don't want/need SOPA anyway, and your examples only cite Spain...Spain. That "news" is 2-6 years old too.
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18 Apr 2014   #17
andrew129260

Windows 7 Professional x64 Sp1
 
 

Now now you two, play nice
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18 Apr 2014   #18
lehnerus2000

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

(Note: some of ths comment was originally in post #15)

So the US Government will come out and publicly strike down this type of clause?
I'm not holding my breath.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
NEWS! The US does not set international practices.
It just doesn't tell the US population that it is doing that.

What do you think the purpose of ACTA, PIPA, SOPA, TPP, etc. are actually about?

Spain was (secretly) threatened with sanctions, if it didn't implement a SOPA-like policy
Quote:
In a letter dated 12 December and obtained by Spanish newspaper El Pais, US ambassador Alan Solomont wrote to the outgoing Spanish prime minister expressing his concern about the lack of movement on a online piracy bill, known as the Sinde law.
"The government has unfortunately failed to finish the job for political reasons, to the detriment of the reputation and economy of Spain," reads the letter to José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero. The letter was also sent to minister of culture Ángeles González-Sinde, after whom the law is named.

Spain would go on to pass Sinde at the start of this year.

In his letter, Solomont issued veiled threats, reminding its recipients that Spain is on the Special 301, the US trade representatives' list of countries that do not provide "adequate and effective" protection of intellectual property rights. Spain risks having its position on the list "degraded", and could join the real blacklist of "the worst violators of global intellectual property rights."
Leaked: US Threatened Spain to Implement Online Piracy Law

US threatened Spain over web censorship laws - Neowin
US threatens Spain: pass SOPA-style censorship or else | NGEmu
Why do you think that all trade negotiations with the US are done in secret (i.e. non-US citizens aren't allowed to know what is being traded away)?

No explanations are ever given as to why it is in anyone's interest to prop up US Corporations (especially MPAA and RIAA members).
How does protecting MPAA and RIAA members, benefit Australia or any other country (apart from the US)?
IMO, it is doubtful that it even benefits the US.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Any US company that operates outside of the US must adhere to whatever local law they operate in. The EU was not a US invention and as I understand it isn't well liked in Europe.
Businesses must obey the local laws.
If the local laws have been determined by US treaties like ACTA, PIPA, SOPA, TPP, etc. then they are obeying US created law.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
The EU was not a US invention and as I understand it isn't well liked in Europe.
The EU is Europe's attempt to replicate the USA (i.e. create a USE).
As such, they want to replicate the way the US deals with issues.

Almost everyone hates the Federal Government regardless of the country (US, Euro countries, Australia, Canada, etc.).

Aren't there literally 1000s of people hiding out in the US, stockpiling weapons and ammo to protect themselves from the Feds?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
MS tried to exert it's US muscle over there and has been fines and sanctioned a few times.
Presumably MS was not in the US Government's "Good Books" at those times.

The point is that if the US Government would clamp down on dodgy behaviour, our scumbag politicians would be willing take action knowing that they weren't going to upset the US (resulting in threats of sanctions).

A example that applies specifically to this forum is software.
You can't take action against software companies for substandard coding, because the US says that you can't (apparently as a result of IBM lobbying the US Government in the '80s).

This is why we still see stuff like "Heartbleed".
Seems like the old "failure to check input vs expected input" problem to me.
One of the earliest things you are told when you do programming courses, is to validate your inputs.


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How did that happen?
I hadn't finished typing my reply and it somehow appeared on the forum.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Well crap Peter, here I though it was Australia that cause the US big problems. All your link are crap pertaining to the stupid SOPA stuff, not businesses practices. We don't want/need SOPA anyway, and your examples only cite Spain...Spain. That "news" is 2-6 years old too.
2011-2012?

TPP is happening right now.
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19 Apr 2014   #19
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

HEh, heh, Pete, you're an Aussie pollie aren't you?
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19 Apr 2014   #20
margrave

None
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
As far as I know a US citizen cannot give up the right to legal and due processes under the law. Further it's illegal to ask someone to do it so the company's amendments would not be enforced.
That pertains to criminal cases.
Contract disputes are matter for civil courts.
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