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Windows 7: Microsoft forecasting clouds - for everyone.

17 May 2014   #31
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
You can't also avoid the Political content completely -- I know Forum rules -- but in this case it's VERY relevant.

If you don't know WHERE your data is being stored your money could be going (although in most cases hopefully quite innocently) to support some countries whose sole purpose say is to cause havoc and mayhem in most of the West.

Globalisation does have loads of downsides too -- although there are a few upsides - the Internet for one.

I could be more interested in some Cloud stuff IF the companies operating it would tell me exactly where their servers are and who is operating them -- at least now the Supermarkets have to specify where they sourced their products from and things like the FAIRTRADE label help the consumer choose whether to buy that product or not.

I really don't want or need in the ist quarter of the 21st century to support large organisations outsourcing stuff to hideously impoverished countries and paying those people a little better than "Slave Wages".

I think Ms should come clean on this type of activity --it's not BY FAR the WORST offender in this game but it's big enough to make sure its products are properly sourced and fair wages offered - even in cheaper countries.

Cheers
jimbo


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17 May 2014   #32
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by margrave View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
There is no difference between a free 25 gig Onedrive account and a paid for 25 gig Onedrive account,
Besides the costs,
The disclaimers of loss of data are identical,
The same terms of use are identical on all cloud services free or otherwise,
Cheers.
Same??
Have you ever written a business contract with a cloud provider?
Hi there.

also have you ever tried ENFORCING a contract say in China or IRAN -- the Civil Courts exist but whether you as an individual - especially a foreigner from "The Greedy West" would even get NEAR one would be an interesting exercise.

Cheers
jimbo
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17 May 2014   #33
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
You obviously don't much about paid cloud services. The cheap ones are "scams" but the better ones are secure because your data is encrypted before it leaves your computer and you hold the key. As long as you are using a reliable service and use it properly (i.e., don't depend on it to be a sole data repository), it's well worth the money you spend. Those are not scams.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

With HDD storage being so cheap and decent broadband being so expensive, storing large amounts of data is unviable.
I don't have any mobile devices that need to sync, so for me it is simply a scam to extract cash from my bank account.

It may be viable for people with decent broadband and mobile devices that need syncing.

I don't trust that encryption is actually effective against:
  • Large IT companies (including "Cloud" providers)
  • the Government
  • Cyber-criminals
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17 May 2014   #34
margrave

Size 12
 
 

You're thinking in terms of personal use.
But for business use the cloud is often the right answer. How better to interact with clients? How better to offer application services?
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17 May 2014   #35
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

Cloud is NOT viable for HOME users as a BACKUP system -- most people I know have Music / Video libraries of SEVERAL TB - now most cloud providers will possibly give a user say 50 GB -- by NO way good enough -- and in a lot of countries you STILL pay for broadbad bandwidth - you need an UNLIMITED usage for decent size backups and you need very fast broadband as well -- most people also forget that even with FAST download - upload can be up to 10X SLOWER !!!

Might not matter in uploading a few files to a file sharing site but uploading several HUNDRED GB will take a while !!!

I think businesses don't have to worry about this as they don't use "ISP's" in the classic sense - the larger companies also have dedicated line / cable systems.

The only time it might make sense as an individual is say you were a journalist and you needed to get pictures and your story out of for example N.Korea etc where normal email etc can't be relied on.

Cheers
jimbo
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17 May 2014   #36
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
You obviously don't much about paid cloud services. The cheap ones are "scams" but the better ones are secure because your data is encrypted before it leaves your computer and you hold the key. As long as you are using a reliable service and use it properly (i.e., don't depend on it to be a sole data repository), it's well worth the money you spend. Those are not scams.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

With HDD storage being so cheap and decent broadband being so expensive, storing large amounts of data is unviable.
I don't have any mobile devices that need to sync, so for me it is simply a scam to extract cash from my bank account.

It may be viable for people with decent broadband and mobile devices that need syncing.

I don't trust that encryption is actually effective against:
  • Large IT companies (including "Cloud" providers)
  • the Government
  • Cyber-criminals
The cost of cloud storage isn't the only factor to consider whether to use it or not. Often, it's the most practical way to have an offsite backup that is sufficiently remote to ensure a major local disaster will not take out both onsite data and physical offsite data. For example, an earthquake could destroy data kept both in a local business and a bank safe deposit box, say, five miles away. Physical offsite backups also are usually out of date due to the difficulty of physically accessing it. Using the cloud to store an additional backup can overcome both of those problems.

However, medium sized businesses, such as one with, say, half a dozen branches scattered across a state or two might actually find renting a cloud service to be more economically viable than trying to maintain their own server linked to all the individual branches as long as the service uses redundant storage with versioning (multiple servers scattered across the country maintaining duplicates of data and keeping previous versions and deleted data for a certain amount of time).
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17 May 2014   #37
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Wow!!

In case of an earthquake destroying everything in a five mile radius around me, I can not imagine me being concerned with data loss.
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17 May 2014   #38
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead View Post
In case of an earthquake destroying everything in a five mile radius around me, I can not imagine me being concerned with data loss.
Maybe not at the moment but, eventually, most people would and, definitely, most businesses would. Some things are irreplaceable, such as business records, family photos, etc. Data can include property inventories which would be invaluable for insurance purposes.
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17 May 2014   #39
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Even minimal cloud services can be a pita. I recently got a W8Phone. One thing that happened was that all my files from my OneDrive (Skydrive) got synced to mu phone. Those are mostly tutorials that have no place on my phone. It took me a few hours to get rid of them.

I hate all these automatic procedures. My PCs, my tablets and my phone have completely different purposes and I don't want some ghost in the sky to sync stuff to those devices that I don't want there.
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18 May 2014   #40
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I wonder who came up with the idea that everybody wanted all their computing devices to work and look like all their other computing devices?
A phone is used for phone calls.
A tablet is used for playing tinker toy stuff and thrown away when broken.
A desktop/Laptop is used for everything computing and is repairable if need be.

I'm I showing my age? May be; I still remember using a party line phone attached to a wall with a operator listing.
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