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Windows 7: Microsoft forecasting clouds - for everyone.

18 May 2014   #41
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I wonder who came up with the idea that everybody wanted all their computing devices to work and look like all their other computing devices?
A phone is used for phone calls.
A tablet is used for playing tinker toy stuff and thrown away when broken.
A desktop/Laptop is used for everything computing and is repairable if need be.

I'm I showing my age? May be; I still remember using a party line phone attached to a wall with a operator listing.
Actually, you're showing both our ages, Jack.

I don't have a problem with a computer multitasking when possible. Heck, my desktop machine doubles as a HTPC, which replaces my DVD player and my old music system, and even serves as an e-book reader; I have it patched into my TV so I can read books from it while laying in bed. I use a wireless mouse as a remote.

However, there are limits to how much multitasking any device can do and the smaller the device, the greater the limits are. Trying to make an OS work on a small device severely limits what can be done on device with larger and multiple displays. An input method that works well on devices with small displays is grossly inefficient on larger devices. Besides what the so called experts are saying, the PC is far from dead; stagnant, mayhap, but not dead.

Of course, if all one needs a computer for is making phone calls, emails, texting, and keeping up with social media and wants to be connected 24/7 by an electronic umbilical cord, then a small device is all one needs.


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18 May 2014   #42
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

The "cloud" sure isn't for anyone using a Verizon cell modem, not even for a small backup. I keep my C:\ drive as small as possible, around 50 GB.

If I wanted to back it up to the cloud it would take me 10 months to upload it and 10 months to restore it. That's providing that I didn't use the Internet for anything else. I have a 5 GB cap per month. Of course I could go over that cap but at $10.00 a MB it would get real expensive.

I use Reflect to image my drives to an external HDD and a USB pen drive. Even with Reflects compression of the drive image it would take me 5 months in both directions. I keep the pen drive in my truck, obviously well hidden, just in case something happens to the RV which is my full time home. For documents pictures and music I use other pen drives and DVDs. We won't talk about bandwidth speed and how many hours all the cloud stuff would take.

Most of the time I'm in not areas that have 4g, the more remote the better. However, my speed has increased due to everyone formally on 3g running to the latest and greatest.

My Desktop PC serves many uses as well given the limited space of an RV.. sound system, living room TV, slide show and of course mapping routes and keeping track of costs.

I guess my age is clear when I say my mother was one of the people that you spoke to on those old phones. Two words I would never say to my mother out of nothing other then fear of what would happen if I did. The two words were ..."Number Please"
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20 May 2014   #43
msgerbs

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
There is no difference between a free 25 gig Onedrive account and a paid for 25 gig Onedrive account,
Besides the costs,
The disclaimers of loss of data are identical,
The same terms of use are identical on all cloud services free or otherwise,
Cheers.
Exactly.

I have external drive backups and internl drive backups. But I would not trust storing it in the cloud.
And when your building burns down, taking both your internal and external drives with it? Sure, you could be shipping tapes offsite, but you're still relying on somebody else to transport and store your data. What is the difference between doing it in hosted storage ("Cloud storage") or offsite physical media? Other than that with hosted storage you have on-demand access and the provider can duplicate it across multiple sites. Offsite physical media can restore massive amounts of data much faster, depending upon your SLA and the bandwidth you have to your hosted storage. There's no one solution that works for everybody, but simply writing off "the cloud" as a dangerous scam is foolish and sort-sighted attitude with little place in a fast-moving, forward-thinking industry.
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20 May 2014   #44
msgerbs

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there

Cloud is NOT viable for HOME users as a BACKUP system -- most people I know have Music / Video libraries of SEVERAL TB - now most cloud providers will possibly give a user say 50 GB -- by NO way good enough -- and in a lot of countries you STILL pay for broadbad bandwidth - you need an UNLIMITED usage for decent size backups and you need very fast broadband as well -- most people also forget that even with FAST download - upload can be up to 10X SLOWER !!!

Might not matter in uploading a few files to a file sharing site but uploading several HUNDRED GB will take a while !!!

I think businesses don't have to worry about this as they don't use "ISP's" in the classic sense - the larger companies also have dedicated line / cable systems.

The only time it might make sense as an individual is say you were a journalist and you needed to get pictures and your story out of for example N.Korea etc where normal email etc can't be relied on.

Cheers
jimbo
Where did those TBs of music and videos come from? Surely not original content by them personally. It's most likely either pirated, or purchased off some service like iTunes, Amazon, etc. so why would they need to back that up? Back it up locally if you want, but there's no need to back that up to hosted storage. If your house is destroyed, are you really going to care about your TBs of ripped music? No, you're going to care about your finances, your family photos, etc. The ones that were just destroyed along with your pretty little NAS, if you didn't have offsite backups of some sort or another. Besides, there are multiple reputable backup services that offer unlimited or very high-limit storage, so your point about "50GB limit" is wrong. Sure, downloading it will take ages (Some places ship you disks!) but it's a lot better than it being gone forever, is it not?
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20 May 2014   #45
TanyaC

Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon | Win 7 Ult x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
The "Cloud" is a scam.
It's all part of a government conspiracy to get hold of our private data. They will eventually do what Instagram did - Claim that by uploading to their cloud servers you sign over all intellectual property rights to them. (I'm only half kidding).

Nope, unless they stop making HHDs, SSDs and and all other other forms of local storage, I will never use cloud.
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20 May 2014   #46
msgerbs

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TanyaC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
The "Cloud" is a scam.
It's all part of a government conspiracy to get hold of our private data. They will eventually do what Instagram did - Claim that by uploading to their cloud servers you sign over all intellectual property rights to them. (I'm only half kidding).

Nope, unless they stop making HHDs, SSDs and and all other other forms of local storage, I will never use cloud.
Read my post above yours about why that's a suicidally bad idea.
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20 May 2014   #47
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Someone seems consumed by fire theory
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20 May 2014   #48
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Fire! Fire!

I'm trying not to think about it. I have no interest in THE CLOUD.
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20 May 2014   #49
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

lol Bob looks like your already on Fire
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20 May 2014   #50
TanyaC

Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon | Win 7 Ult x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msgerbs View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TanyaC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
The "Cloud" is a scam.
It's all part of a government conspiracy to get hold of our private data. They will eventually do what Instagram did - Claim that by uploading to their cloud servers you sign over all intellectual property rights to them. (I'm only half kidding).

Nope, unless they stop making HHDs, SSDs and and all other other forms of local storage, I will never use cloud.
Read my post above yours about why that's a suicidally bad idea.
If I read your post correctly you are advocating FOR cloud storage.

For me, I have very little in digital form that I can't afford to lose. Sure, I do backups to optical disk, and the important stuff is stored offsite (at my brothers). But the critical stuff, like insurance policies, bank details, will(s) and so on is mostly hard copy with scanned back ups. They are stored with my solicitor with extra copies in a safe.

Not everyone does it like that, but that still doesn't sway me to want to sign over the rights to all digital data to a third party, who will then tell me that can do as they please (including sell for profit), my personal digital data.

Besides that, these could companies really do NOT care about your data. All they care about is their profit margin. Cloud storage is just as prone to failure as local storage, but then you have a number of other factors influencing access to your data, like MONEY up front, Internet Access and so on..

Nope, I will stubbornly stand my ground. No cloud for me.
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