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Windows 7: Microsoft warns against Windows XP security update hack

30 May 2014   #21
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

Sorry L.F. but you don't know much about what the true costs are to a business to just update one release of an OS. There's more to it than slapping a PC on someone's desk. I don't know what background you have in business but clearly it's not administrative or budget related. Perhaps the closest you've come to business is the checkout lanes at WalMart because that seems to be your take on the simplicity of a large corporation making changes.

Here's a quick view of what it really costs for a fortune 500 company to make changes.

Change Terminals (PCs): $13.5 million
Update OS: $3.2 million
Update software: $60 million
Personnel Training: $380 million
Lost Op. Costs: $700 million
Stock value loss: $2.2 billion

Net Loss to company: $3.356+ Billion

So quit your crybaby pressure to get everyone to agree with you. The ones that count are ignoring you.


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30 May 2014   #22
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

I find it highly ironic that the end of support for an OS a lot of people didn't want to upgrade from near enough coincided with the release of an OS that not a lot of people wanted to upgrade to. No wonder HP started selling machines with Windows 7 installed again.
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30 May 2014   #23
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
Sorry L.F. but you don't know much about what the true costs are to a business to just update one release of an OS. There's more to it than slapping a PC on someone's desk. I don't know what background you have in business but clearly it's not administrative or budget related. Perhaps the closest you've come to business is the checkout lanes at WalMart because that seems to be your take on the simplicity of a large corporation making changes.

Here's a quick view of what it really costs for a fortune 500 company to make changes.

Change Terminals (PCs): $13.5 million
Update OS: $3.2 million
Update software: $60 million
Personnel Training: $380 million
Lost Op. Costs: $700 million
Stock value loss: $2.2 billion

Net Loss to company: $3.356+ Billion

So quit your crybaby pressure to get everyone to agree with you. The ones that count are ignoring you.
Actually, I do have a pretty good idea of the costs; I used to work for a large electric/irrigation utility (the company I get my pension and retirement medical coverage from), including some time in management, and have seen first hand what is involved with upgrading (both hardware and training expenses) and what can happen when poor decisions are made, such as purchasing equipment that depended on computers and software that couldn't be upgraded when the time came. I was the one who interfaced with our IT department for my department (warehousing) on software and hardware for the department and often personally handled all the replacement hardware (computers, monitors, etc.) for the entire company, including processing the retired hardware. After retiring from that company at 55, I worked 5 1/2 years for a large convenience store chain, advancing to a lead position (but not into actual management even though the company tried to push me into it because I didn't like the way the company abused their salaried employees and I preferred the 4/10 schedule I had working third shift), and was involved in hardware and software upgrades, including implementation and training.

As far as the figures you are throwing round, what is your source? What is the company? What percentage of total profits and operating expenses do those figures represent? What was the amortization schedule? Figures like that out of context and without validation are meaningless.
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30 May 2014   #24
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
I find it highly ironic that the end of support for an OS a lot of people didn't want to upgrade from near enough coincided with the release of an OS that not a lot of people wanted to upgrade to. No wonder HP started selling machines with Windows 7 installed again.
Actually, HP never stopped selling Win 7 machines; they just decided to capitalize on the Win 8's lack of appeal to the home user market.
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30 May 2014   #25
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I have never been in position of buying, or decision on that to buy for a business or corporation.
Just throwing numbers around without showing the source is a waste of time.

Anybody, corporation, company, government that buy a operating system and hardware and thinks it's going to last forever needs to live at Disney World and dance with Goofy while at work.

Ten years is a very very very long time for a operating system and hardware to be able to do the job needed to be done and done with proper security. The computing world just moves to fast for anything ten years old to the job.
For those companies that for what ever reason want to hang onto the old equipment and operating system and programs just but the updates from Microsoft.
I'm quite sure Microsoft will keep selling updates as long as their are buyers.
In my world we call that kicking the can down the road.
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30 May 2014   #26
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
I find it highly ironic that the end of support for an OS a lot of people didn't want to upgrade from near enough coincided with the release of an OS that not a lot of people wanted to upgrade to. No wonder HP started selling machines with Windows 7 installed again.
Actually, HP never stopped selling Win 7 machines; they just decided to capitalize on the Win 8's lack of appeal to the home user market.
That's what I meant by 'selling'. Not physically selling.
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30 May 2014   #27
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
I find it highly ironic that the end of support for an OS a lot of people didn't want to upgrade from near enough coincided with the release of an OS that not a lot of people wanted to upgrade to. No wonder HP started selling machines with Windows 7 installed again.
Actually, HP never stopped selling Win 7 machines; they just decided to capitalize on the Win 8's lack of appeal to the home user market.
That's what I meant by 'selling'. Not physically selling.
Sorry, my mistake.
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30 May 2014   #28
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msgerbs View Post
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I am at no surprise at the warning not to apply anything new regarding any existing XP installs presently in use since MS is now finished with all support. Anything found now in regards to updates could easily be some form of malware!
That's not how this works. It tricks Windows Updates into thinking the computer is running Windows Server 2003 or Windows Embedded, both of which are built on the same base kernel as Windows XP, but have different features and such. It's still not possible to install malware via windows updates without being previously infected.
I wasn't specifically pointing to just the item mentioned in the article there but other forms of OS tricksters that could be used to open new doors for slipping new bugs into the 13yr. old version now that regular MS support is no longer being seen. The possibility is there while the chances of it being seen at this late date is growing less and less each day as XP use wanes into the old folks home.
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31 May 2014   #29
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Lets have a moment of silence for XP. It has earned it.

A great system for many years.
RIP XP.
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31 May 2014   #30
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Hmm, I wonder if these smart hackers will apply it to Linux to get Windows Updates too?
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