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Windows 7: Normal service is resumed as Windows 7's growth once again.....

08 Jun 2014   #61
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Dear Lady, please let me to assure you I did not mean that OK, now you should like Windows 8. I only meant that wrong information based on invalid facts can have consequences, a casual reader might read it and decide "Oh, you have to have an MS account. That's a No No for me".

I am a devoted Windows 8 advocate. A few years back I had not even dreamed about so flexible and customizable easy to use OS, when I installed the first beta I knew this is my thing. The XP brought me back to World of Windows from Linux / Unix scene, Seven showed I was right returning "home", Eight told me I will most definitely stay.

As a part of this advocacy I see correcting false information and rumors not only important but also necessary. And it must be corrected fast, rather in the next post. Go a few posts back and you see what I am fighting against: correcting invalid information is considered as starting a fight.

My only purpose to post here, the content in my posts has been to correct some invalid information and untruths. In doing so I of course understand I "rock the boat" because as you can clearly see, the pro-Eight arguments are not very much tolerated.

Kari


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08 Jun 2014   #62
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Got to love a good debate,
I have to admit I'm a bit bias being a member of Sevenforums and not eight
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08 Jun 2014   #63
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Microsoft and their shareholders look at these three things for sure.
1. Market share
2. Sales
3. Profit
Windows 8.xx does not do well in any of those three. No I'm not going to post a bunch of web sites.

Whether the information about Windows 8.xx is misleading or the truth at this point doesn't matter.
The mass market indicated what they prefer by spending their money.
They spent their money on Windows 7 over Windows 8 for their own reasons.
Whether I like Windows 8 or not probably wasn't even in the equation. Hell I know it wasn't.

If a company makes 100 million ding dongs, they best make sure the ding dongs are made in such a fashion that a 100 million want to buy them.
If the consumers don't buy 100 million ding dongs it not the consumers fault.
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08 Jun 2014   #64
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Whether the information about Windows 8.xx is misleading or the truth at this point doesn't matter.
Instead of trying to find a fight as has been suggested, I really do my best to avoid fighting. This is why I cannot even comment that statement.

Microsoft is still making a lot of money, more than the competitors. It's funny how even some respected tech bloggers and journalists have been hinting about a lost race when Windows 8 & 8.1 have grown to be over 50% bigger in just under two years than Mac OS and Mac OS X in 30 years.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...ating_systems:
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Yet, nobody is suggesting Apple should give up.


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08 Jun 2014   #65
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I never suggested Microsoft should give up.
I like Microsoft, I need Microsoft.
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08 Jun 2014   #66
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I am awaiting a response still for post 15.
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08 Jun 2014   #67
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I am awaiting a response still for post 15.
To avoid fight, I saw no reason to comment your post but OK, you asked it so here we go although there's not much to comment.

Extract from your post #15:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Kari I think you are taking my opinions and reading them like I am saying they are facts. I know I do not have to use the store, I know I can avoid and not use metro completely. I know I can do simple tasks with just a much different way in 8, I know windows 8 is a desktop operating system etc.
Let's go back to my answers (post #5) to your first post (#4) in this thread. I was referring for instance to the highlighted parts of your post as "false information" and clearly more than an opinion:

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I don't need every app taking up my entire screen. I want to multitask. Yes you can snap apps, yes you can resize. But everything is ridiculous giant and cumbersome. It speaks volumes that it has such as low market-share as it does.
The stupidest BS argument I have ever heard of. If you do not like Store Apps and how they behave, you do not have to use nor see them ever again. The same if you do not like the Start Screen, boot to desktop and never use Start Screen again. Multitask with desktop apps exactly as you do with Windows Seven.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Previous versions is a perfect example. It is a fantastic tool and is gone and replaced with the dumber file history. That requires a external hard drive hooked up at all times to restore previous versions of files. What good is that? Why make it harder to do something?
Again BS. File history does not require an external HDD. For example I am using a separate partition in my system disk for it.
Both of the highlighted statements are not true.

Windows 8 Desktop Apps work just as their Windows 7 counterparts. They are not bigger, they are not more cumbersome, in most cases they even take less PC resources and start faster than in Windows 7. You cannot compare Windows 8 Store Apps and Windows 7 Desktop Apps. Apples and oranges.

Your statement about File History requiring an external HDD to be always connected was and remains BS.

A bit OT but I like the flexibility of File History; if I want to keep more old versions not wanting to delete the older ones but my File History drive is getting full, I can change the target drive on the fly. Can you tell me how it's done with Previous Versions?
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By the way, in post #5 I asked you something that you have not answered yet:

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
To me it still takes longer to do simple tasks.
Name a few "simple tasks" that takes more time to do in Eight that in Seven.
Kari


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08 Jun 2014   #68
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Where is the response to this since you only took the first bit out of post 15?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
The previous versions thing from post 6, I stated file history must have a drive set up to use it.

Windows 7 uses previous versions (shadow copies) and restores files from restore points. No external hard drive or another drive needed for setup, nothing needs to be turned on etc.

File history requires a drive to be set up and file history must be turned on. I am not able to use my C drive on my windows 8.1 pro vm.

From Microsoft article: Restore files or folders using File History - Windows Help

Windows Tutorials, Howtos, and More!: Windows 8: How To Recover Previous Versions Of Files
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08 Jun 2014   #69
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Where is the response to this since you only took the first bit out of post 15?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
The previous versions thing from post 6, I stated file history must have a drive set up to use it.
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I see no question there to answer. Only a bit misleading statement: The drive for File history does not need to be set up. Any connected and formatted internal drive except system reserved partitions and drive C:, external or flash drive is OK, even memory cards.

What about the list of simple tasks taking longer in Windows 8? Is that list going to be so big you need more time to compose it?
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08 Jun 2014   #70
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

To address the other things:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I know I do not have to use the store, I know I can avoid and not use metro completely. I know I can do simple tasks with just a much different way in 8, I know windows 8 is a desktop operating system etc.

I am saying I do not like or care for windows 8, nor do not see why people with windows 7 would want it. No where did I say you must use the store, you must have apps full screened etc. I was giving my opinion on it that is all.
My opinion is saying, windows 8 does not improved on the experience I have now, so why would I upgrade?

This is what I am saying.

It is not the fact that these things can be changed, it is that they have to be in order for it to function well.

Example, photos open in the photos metro app instead of the desktop app. This makes no sense, the operating system constantly flips back and forth from desktop to metro like crazy.

I'll say it differently,

When I clean install 7, I set the following number of preferences to make windows 7 the way I like.

6.

In windows 8, I have to configure almost 30 settings (28) to make it usable. I have to turn off booting to metro, I have to disable and reset all file associations, gettting rid of the 2 different internet explorers, etc. For me, (imho) usable. When I have customer who come in to have their PC reset up, that is several settings to go through each and every time.

Now maybe I am wrong on this, but I have attempted to use a clean install with a system image with prebuilt settings set so I do not get customers calling me asking how to close out of internet explorer. Even with improvements made, my customers cannot get around. Even after spending time to show them. I have not found a way to make a system image with windows 8 to apply to all pcs and pop in a key, as there is no lisence key found on these new pcs. So maybe I am doing something wrong, but windows 8 constantly keeps refusing to activate and causes so many headaches. Not just windows 8 itself, but the licensing way of things.

Maybe I am confused, in the wrong I do not know. But things should not be this difficult that I have to spend so much time on 1 pc to get it to a point where my customer does not throw the thing out the window. (The real one.)

I have people that buy windows 8 pcs and return them without anyone but them touching them. When I ask why and offer to show them how to use it, they say I should not need to configure the computer in order to make it work simply. That is the real issue.
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