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Windows 7: Something Odd going on at Linedrive Cloud Storage

22 Jul 2014   #1
Anak

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Something Odd going on at Linedrive Cloud Storage

Saw this at: Livedrive Users, You Need To Read This.

Then this on the unofficial forum: Unofficial Livedrive Forum | View topic - Excessive bandwidth


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23 Jul 2014   #2
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Usually the terms for use are more restrictive than the benefits of the service,
Cloud will no doubt turn into a new way to make a quick buck and gain access to free information,
Cheers.
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23 Jul 2014   #3
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I'm Bad because I won't stop laughing for at least a hour.
How much is to much when it's unlimited.
The answer must be lost somewhere in legaleeze.
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23 Jul 2014   #4
Anak

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I'm still shaking my head, there has to be an oxymoron in there somewhere - excessive use of an unlimited service.

But you're right about the legaleeze Jack, it's tied in with:

Section 20. Subsection f - Termination:
20. In the event of a material breach by you of these Terms, we retain the right to suspend or terminate these Services to you without any notice to you. If we terminate for a material breach of these terms, no refund of any fees paid will be offered. It shall constitute a material breach of these Terms if we have a reasonable belief that you:

f. use the Services in a manner that results in excessive bandwidth usage, as determined by us;

Then in;

Acceptable Use

You agree not to misuse the Livedrive Services. For example, you must not, and must not attempt to, use the Services to do the following things.

4. Interfere with or disrupt any user, host, or network, for example by sending a virus, overloading, flooding, spamming, or mail-bombing any part of the Services;

As determined by us.


There are all kinds of examples, here's one from Comcast terminating a grandmother for voting on American Idol too much, Comcast considered it phone spam.

Quote:
Comcast told one DC-area grandmother that she could no longer be a Comcast Internet Voice subscriber after she cast an immense amount of votes for an "American Idol" contestant. According to local DC Fox affiliate Fox 5, Comcast sent the notification after the woman called the "American Idol" hotline "several hundred times in an hour." The 72-year-old woman was confused by the termination letter because Comcast advertises its Digital Voice service as unlimited, a word that generally means the exact opposite in telecommunications markets.

Source: Comcast Fires Grandma For Using Unlimited Phone Too Much - 'Unlimited' Voice Doesn't Include Spamming American Idol | DSLReports, ISP Information
I believe for phones, unlimited refers to length of call (minutes) not how many times you can call in an hour.
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24 Jul 2014   #5
A Guy

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

I went down the street to the 24-hour grocery.
When I got there, the guy was locking the front door.
I said, 'Hey, the sign says you're open 24 hours.'
He said, 'Yes, but not in a row.'
~Steven Wright

A Guy
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24 Jul 2014   #6
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

The good old days when auto dial was putting your finger in the dial and turning it
seven more times.
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24 Jul 2014   #7
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post

Hi there

It's very easy to post this type of stuff - usually you are quite good with your sources - but in the small print was there a "Fair Usage Policy" or "...if deemed to be using an excessive amount...." type of clause in the small print when people signed up.

It's the same usually with "Unlimited" broadband / mobile phone call hours etc etc".

IMO if the contract states UNLIMITED - well my English might not be as good as other people's but then does that not mean WITHOUT LIMIT. Therefore ANY restriction on an "UNLIMITED" use should mean that the service is NOT UNLIMITED and the contract accordingly is a contradiction and must then be invalid. -- Interesting to see if someone is willing to test this argument in some sensible Court of Law. Any Lawyers on this Forum - please !!.

However it shows the danger of using services over which you have NO control and you've signed up to what is essentially an "arbitrary case" -- do they have a definition of "excessive use" -- so you don't actually know what you are signing up to.

Incidentally some of these ENTIRE servers can get shut down if people store pirated and copyrighted material on them and share with others - so while this won't affect "Corporate Cloud Servers" it could well result in some consumer orientated servers from blocking your access.

The only stuff I'd store on any cloud server is stuff I could afford to lose - or data I don't care about - and usually that's not very much anyway.

@ A GUY -- about the 24 hr Grocery --

surely you must have also seen those large signs outside many Irish Pubs -- "Free Beer Tomorrow" !!.

Cheers
jimbo
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24 Jul 2014   #8
Computer0304

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit/Windows 8 64-bit/Win7 Pro64-bit
 
 

@jimbo45 Yep by tommorow it could mean the day after any day. It could be a old banner, or it could be a new one that is upcoming.

The dictionary definiton of unlimited according to the Oxford Dictionary website is the following:
Quote:
1. Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent
This means that their service is NOT unlimited so it is limited. If it is unlimited, an infinite amount of bandwith should be available to the customer. There should be a clear warning of this because some people could get badly damaged by this especially if for work. No wonder why it is only 3 euros per month for "UNLIMITED" storage.

And I apologize for the fully capitalised words, I was trying to emphasize those words.
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24 Jul 2014   #9
Anak

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Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
Hi there

It's very easy to post this type of stuff - usually you are quite good with your sources - but in the small print was there a "Fair Usage Policy" or "...if deemed to be using an excessive amount...." type of clause in the small print when people signed up.
Usually?

Hmm...Maybe that's why I looked up the legaleeze for Layback Bear. Did you miss my #4 Post?
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24 Jul 2014   #10
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

When something has limits it should be in BOLD print up front.

Where is the E.U. on this matter. I know; it's not Microsoft so it must be okay to hide the restrictions.

I believe their must be some sort of restriction to hinder misuse. I don't have a problem with that but why hide the restrictions.
Their is a easy way to solve the problem.
1. No use of the word (unrestricted) when their is restrictions.
2. Listing of the restrictions in BOLD PRINT up front on the first page of any agreements.
3. A one time message to the misuser explaining the problem and agreement before shutting them out.

These things are not hard to do and doesn't cost a lot of money.

Problem solved.
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