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Windows 7: Microsoft reveals Windows 10, Well this is awkward!

01 Oct 2014   #21
TechyMikeP

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

Users of laptops/desktop computers do not need or want the 'smartphone' style of touchy interface, it just doesn't work for them.
So why have one single look when two are needed. They could/should retain the underlying operational parts, which makes up the bulk of the OS, but offer two different styles of interface to suit different usages. Joining them together was the downfall of Windows 8.x and that's why the sales have been so far below predictions.


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01 Oct 2014   #22
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechyMikeP View Post
Users of laptops/desktop computers do not need or want the 'smartphone' style of touchy interface, it just doesn't work for them.
So why have one single look when two are needed. They could/should retain the underlying operational parts, which makes up the bulk of the OS, but offer two different styles of interface to suit different usages. Joining them together was the downfall of Windows 8.x and that's why the sales have been so far below predictions.

Who says -- I quite like Touch apps - especially when giving presentations - - or when using a Surface pro 3 in Tablet mode. Obviously I wouldn't use touch on a nice large 60 inch 4K capable monitor - but some apps are quite useful in touch mode.

The Windows 10 interface for non touch users will probably just look like an enhanced updated Windows 7 -- as I said before don't you all think we should at least TRY IT FIRST before all for mobile apps but plenty of others do so lets see how it plays out before trashing even the concept.

Cheers
jimbo
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01 Oct 2014   #23
TechyMikeP

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

Thousands of desktop users who have need of more complex systems, such as CAD or EDA software that does not lend itself to a touch approach. People also do not like the 'Metro' (or do we called it 'Modern'?) style interface and the dumbed down applications it demands. Example, the version of Opera for Windows 8.x does not allow for any customisation - you only get what Opera decide - even for your Home Page! That's just one of the many things about W8.x that people dislike so much they don't buy it.

But if it works for you, fine. Just don't imagine everybody else is like you or works they same way as you.

I teach 'seniors' who are new to computing and the one common thread in their comments is that they don't like the touch screen approach as it's not intuitive to them (remember that they have not experienced the W7 and earlier approach). Some struggle with a mouse and many do not like the touchpad on a laptop - but they like keyboards with real keys they can feel, so don't like the on-screen replicas.

Horses for courses, and many think that W8.x is not for them. I respect their choice and hope you will too.
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01 Oct 2014   #24
4wd

W7, W8.1
 
 

Seems MS finally realizing there's something called common sense, reality & user opinion, and the '10' number is probably to set some distance from the '8' fiasco they tried to force-feed.

Am looking forward to a test run
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01 Oct 2014   #25
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechyMikeP View Post
I teach 'seniors' who are new to computing and the one common thread in their comments is that they don't like the touch screen approach as it's not intuitive to them (remember that they have not experienced the W7 and earlier approach). Some struggle with a mouse and many do not like the touchpad on a laptop - but they like keyboards with real keys they can feel, so don't like the on-screen replicas.
I have said this several times in the past both here and on our sister sites (Vista Forums, Eight Forums, Ten Forums, PC Help Forums): I believe that depends on how Windows 8 was / is presented to the people. I have only positive experiences, showing and teaching both kids, adults and seniors to use its intuitive UI. The feedback has been almost exclusively positive, and I take some credits of that; I will not start talking to them about "this horrible piece of s*** OS", but instead present a highly customizable, intuitive and flexible OS Windows 8 / 8.1.

Even if someone would not like the Modern interface and apps, I have not met a single user, senior or not, beginner or advanced user, who cannot make Windows 8 to work, feel and look like Windows 7 in a few minutes with a few mouse clicks (tutorial: Windows 8.1 - Make it Look and Feel like Windows 7).

Of course there will always be users who think of everything "I've always had it this way, done this way, I see no reason to evolve, advance and change".

Kari
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01 Oct 2014   #26
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
Seems MS finally realizing there's something called common sense, reality & user opinion, and the '10' number is probably to set some distance from the '8' fiasco they tried to force-feed.

Am looking forward to a test run
Number "10" looks mainly because in the German language , n°9 does sound like "Nein" (No). As German partners are quite on this too wouldn't hurt with a name like "Windows No"!!!

Some might despise the few extra steps to go to Desktop and some others little annoying ones. I recon navigating sometimes in windows 8.1 compare to windows 7, lost me a bit on some extra steps to set settings. But yes, we have to keep open mind!
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01 Oct 2014   #27
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

If you read the "blurb" the download preview is primarily aimed at Enterprise W7 users who in the main are keyboard / mouse / classic desktop / laptop users.

That's why I'm surprised that there appears to be a negativity about this on this very Forum with people rabbiting on how desktop users don't need touch / mobile phone type apps on their desktops.

Ms actually has designed this as a "Better W7" than W7 - and W7 users shouldn't have any trouble in using their computers just like they do now.

I agree with Kari that with a bit of effort W8.1 can be made to work reasonably "W7 like" but again the real question is "Should they have to".

So all you Nay sayers --give the wretched thing a chance --you might actually like it !!!!!.

Cheers
jimbo
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01 Oct 2014   #28
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

John Lennon and the number nine

Revolution Number 9-The Beatles - YouTube

perhaps this influenced the decision too much
Revolution 9 Backmask (backwards) by The Beatles - YouTube
Juliet:

'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

-- William Shakespeare: Romeo and Juliet
I can't figure out how to download the preview - maybe it's not ready yet.
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01 Oct 2014   #29
RBS7

windows 7 & 8
 
 

I am thinking all of this, simply won't matter.

With Apple Pay coming out, I believe this will rock the mobile device platform, and all mobile phones will be inferior. Who wouldn't want a device that allows you to shed your credit cards, and is almost bullet proof in security.

In addition, to that, with Abode working with Google Chromebooks, I believe Google's Chrome will be well placed against Microsoft for desktop users. You can bet that if Adobe is falling into place, other major players are lining up to peddle it's wares to Google.

So at this point, Microsoft's name change simply offers more consumer confusion, which 8, RT, 8 Pro , 8.1, 9 Who?, and Surface what?, did. They have so many different versions, no one knows what they are buying. At least Microsoft is first, in something, customer confusion.
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01 Oct 2014   #30
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there

Obviously there are some diehards on this forum who are trashing it before they've even SEEN it -- same with Windows 8.1 -- most people probably rightly decided Windows 8 was a hideous digs dinner of a mess but windows 8.1 improved it significantly -- and now Windows 10 has got the things most people wanted back in it - like the Start menu and re-sizeable windows for touch / metro apps what is the problem.

I LIKE the superior touch applications, the built in security system, the "Virtual" cd/dvd mounter and the general snappiness of W8.1 - and with the final improvements seen to be in Windows 10 what's there really NOT to like - it seems win 7 users have everything they asked for in the new OS.

At least let's SEE and TRY it before mouthing complaints against it.

If you want to continue using W7 -- nothing wrong with that - it's STILL a great OS -- but please keep OPEN MINDS and base complaints on REAL tests.

Cheers
jimbo
Before you accuse me of trashing it, keep in mind I said what I've seen so far hasn't impressed me. Mostly, all it has done is raised more questions. Also previews are rarely the final product.
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