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Windows 7: OneGet, a Linux-style package management framework

29 Oct 2014   #11
whs
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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

There were rumors that they would provide a UI that is not cmd or powershell.


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29 Oct 2014   #12
Gornot

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Windows 10 keeps getting more and more interesting. Not necessarily better in every aspect, but so far so good.
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29 Oct 2014   #13
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

and

sudo apt-get install

Looks like linux!!

Are they supporting commands like:
sudo apt-get remove [package]
sudo apt-get autoremove [package]
sudo apt-get purge [package]

It would be great!!
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30 Oct 2014   #14
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Windows with a purge command??? yeh .......
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30 Oct 2014   #15
Alejandro85

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gornot View Post
I'm not an expert or anything, but is there technically anything stopping them from making a GUI for OneGet just because it's based on PowerShell commands?
No, nothing at all. If a program has a CLI only, a GUI can just invoke those commands under the hood and appropriately format the input/output. It already has been done, in fact (TortoiseSvn wrapping Svn is an example). Having both gives the best of both worlds, usability and being discoverable of a GUI and automation capabilities of a CLI.


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I agree that purging auto updaters is a MUST! Why can't apps just have it integrated instead, and just check for updates on startup, like most NORMAL applications!?
Having "auto-updating" built-in into a program or as a separate service is almost equally dangerous. Program may be updated at any time, you like it or not, and it might break something that used to work or just delay usage by forcing an unnecessary update at any time. Services have the added troubles that run as a separate program (ie, more resource consumption) and running often as localsystem (ie, a great security risk). "Normal" programs don't tamper with the user system and don't download anything they don't need to work.
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30 Oct 2014   #16
kado897

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The Linux package managers are just wrappers for the command line utilities apt and pacman. I would guess that if MS didn't create a GUI someone else would.
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31 Oct 2014   #17
Gornot

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Alejandro85 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gornot View Post
I'm not an expert or anything, but is there technically anything stopping them from making a GUI for OneGet just because it's based on PowerShell commands?
No, nothing at all. If a program has a CLI only, a GUI can just invoke those commands under the hood and appropriately format the input/output. It already has been done, in fact (TortoiseSvn wrapping Svn is an example). Having both gives the best of both worlds, usability and being discoverable of a GUI and automation capabilities of a CLI.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gornot View Post
I agree that purging auto updaters is a MUST! Why can't apps just have it integrated instead, and just check for updates on startup, like most NORMAL applications!?
Having "auto-updating" built-in into a program or as a separate service is almost equally dangerous. Program may be updated at any time, you like it or not, and it might break something that used to work or just delay usage by forcing an unnecessary update at any time. Services have the added troubles that run as a separate program (ie, more resource consumption) and running often as localsystem (ie, a great security risk). "Normal" programs don't tamper with the user system and don't download anything they don't need to work.
Thanks for the explanation.

As for the second part of your comment, I was referring to certain programs like iTunes, BitTorrent and the like, that when you start them up, inform you that there is a new version available, and asks if you want to install it. MUCH better than having a background service I have to hunt down in msconfig and turn off. Even a better option for non-techies.
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31 Oct 2014   #18
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Update about Chrome Update

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Thats weird. Something must be wrong with your chrome then, mine never does that or has that issue.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was broken.
The previous update that I installed for Chrome seems to have fixed my UAC issue.

I updated it again yesterday and I only received one UAC prompt.
It still churned for ages though.

It's got to be one of the slowest updating programs I have ever seen.
The only things that are worse are .NET updates.
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