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Windows 7: Yosemite upgrade stops Macs with aftermarket SSDs from booting

19 Nov 2014   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

The E.U. would have drunk guards and rabid dogs watching the borders with orders to stop all Microsoft product.

With Apple they just stick out a welcome hand and direct them to the welcome buffet.


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19 Nov 2014   #12
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I am sure the EU will go after them is someone complains. But they need a trigger. By themselves they do nothing.
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19 Nov 2014   #13
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Remember with crApple you are buying into their walled garden. It is not a PC per se but a CrApple appliance you are buying with support as part of the package. You are paying 3 times the price of a basic PC for this service. Some people like this as they don't have to think. I would never give an apple device house room as I do not like the way they as a company operate. Sweat shop workers and $1200 for a 13" laptop with a dual core i5 with 8gb of ram and hardly any storage so you need their add ons with stupid cables that cost serious money. I love it when someone impress me with one and I tell them like it is. It was like B&O TV's 20 years ago had a Thomson / Ferguson ICC Chassis in them yet they cost 3 times as much with no difference in performance of the picture, yes the sound was far better due to 25 wats RMS audio output stage and serious speakers for a TV.
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19 Nov 2014   #14
RoasterMen

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
 
 

Apple makes their customer stupid. It was better around with Steve Jobs
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19 Nov 2014   #15
Tookeri

Windows 7 Pro 32
 
 

I'm probably a minority here on this Windows forum with these opinions but personally I think my Mac is worth every cent, and so do all others I know that mainly use it to create music and videos. In that area I think it's outstanding. So I guess I swing both ways
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19 Nov 2014   #16
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Depends whether you want a computer or a jukebox.
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20 Nov 2014   #17
RoasterMen

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Depends whether you want a computer or a jukebox.
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23 Nov 2014   #18
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
A typical Apple rip-off. I would never buy anything from them.

It is like those Windows PCs where you cannot run Linux. I had to return a $1200 laptop to Sony because it would not run Linux. I now have the same problem with my Asus Transformer. But that is only a little toy. Those systems just have a retarded BIOS.
That not suppose to happen. According to Microsoft OEM have to have a way to disable secure boot for the end user or can't get a windows 8 sticker contract rules. The reason Microsoft doesn't want to be sued by the U.S. DOJ again. Are you sure it just wasn't the drivers not being available? I tried lot of Linux distros. I found out the ubuntu or its derivatives can work with almost any system. I don't like the Amazon search being installed, so I use Lubuntu and installed xfce4 desktop with wine. However, I did have trouble with xubuntu that includes xfce desktop. Didn't work to well on my system. The only thing thats annoying is whoopsie pops up a lot even with no crashes. Whoopsie is the crash report system for ubuntu and can be uninstalled using apt-get.

Sudo apt-get purge whoopsie
Sudo apt-get autoremove

You will need to do after each update, because it re-installs.

Side note Embedded systems are different, but I don't understand the legalize of those.
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23 Nov 2014   #19
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
Remember wit crApple you are buying into their walled garden. It is not a PC per se but a CrApple appliance you are buying with support as part of the package. You are paying 3 times the price of a basic PC for this service. Some people like this as they don't have to think. I would never give an apple device house room as I do not like the way they as a company operate. Sweat shop workers and $1200 for a 13" laptop with a dual core i5 with 8gb of ram and hardly any storage so you need their add ons with stupid cables that cost serious money. I love it when someone impress me with one and I tell them like it is. It was like B&O TV's 20 years ago had a Thomson / Ferguson ICC Chassis in them yet they cost 3 times as much with no difference in performance of the picture, yes the sound was far better due to 25 wats RMS audio output stage and serious speakers for a TV.
There's no equivalent hardware for the MacBook Pro 13" on the Windows laptop side in the $1,500 range. Show me a windows laptop that has 256 GBs PCIe SSD drive and 8 GBs memory in this price range. It's even hard to find laptops with SSD drives let alone PCIe SSD...

The PCIe SSD native performance is great:

Yosemite upgrade stops Macs with aftermarket SSDs from booting-mbp-pci-flash.jpg

Even Windows 8.1 in VMware is fast:

Yosemite upgrade stops Macs with aftermarket SSDs from booting-mbk-win8.1.jpg

The best you can do on the Windows laptop side is the Samsung Pro:

Yosemite upgrade stops Macs with aftermarket SSDs from booting-samsung-940-pro-03.01.14.jpg

And don't kid yourself... If the Apple hardware is coming from "sweatshops", then so do all other OEM laptops. There's no OEM that actually builds laptops in the US. At least not at the size of Apple...

In my view, the MacBook is the best hardware for Windows 8.1, even in VMware. It's fast on the PCIe SSD and the native Windows resolution of 3360x2100 is awesome. The battery last much longer than other laptops, even with two OSs running on it. It runs all of the business applications that I need better than any Windows laptop in this price range. The reason the OSX used in my case is for multi-media and to be able to support some of my customers with MACs...


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23 Nov 2014   #20
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

IIRC, OEMs can still sell the computer without the W8 sticker and they can then do whatever they like.
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