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22 Jan 2015   #41
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

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There is an additional aspect to their one OS with continuous updates. That is less development pain.

Right now with XP, Vista W8 and W8.1 out there they have to constantly worry about backwards compatibility which is a real pain for a developer. Worrysome because the customers will not move away from their old OS if their programs do not work in the new OS. Especially large companies have a big investment in own programs. And also in training of their personal.

Once they have rounded them all up to the new W10 with continuous upgrades, most of that problem goes away. I think it is a smart strategy.

After 35 years in mainframe OS development I know how painful backwards compatibility can be - plus the pain and cost of maintaining several operating systems that are 'current' at the same time.
The problem will still remain (at least for the user). They can't support outdated hardware forever and at the same time adopt new technology and move forward. They will still have to drop support for things as they move forward.


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22 Jan 2015   #42
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

That is correct at the hardware level. But the OS face towards the user (program interface) need not change. If the user has some old banger hardware, that may become obsolete though.
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22 Jan 2015   #43
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Well I think that the interface must change over time. Look at it now and the hardware enables new types of interfaces - mouse+keyboard -> touch pad or screen + virtual keyboard -> Cortana + virtual reality etc. But if you are talking about the software interfaces - that has to evolve as well to enable more complex and different types of applications. You just can't evolve anything without breaking compatibility at some point.
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22 Jan 2015   #44
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

No doubt the interface has to evelve as technology presents new technologies. But that does not mean that you have to break the existing facilities - just enhance them. And for a program that does not use the new technology, it should not matter.

But the devil is in the detail. I just think a single evolving system is easier to keep under control than a set of different successive operating systems. It is in the nature of the developers - the new guys care less what the previous guys have done. In a single system that can be controlled.
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22 Jan 2015   #45
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

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My concern is that if I install Windows 10 and don't like it, can I go back to Win 7. It is hard going from Win 8 back to Win 7. Will this be the same thing?
Yep. Just format and reinstall as usual.
How about restoring an image.
I don't know anything about 8.1, but doesn't it do something to your Bios and a restore would not be the only thing that has to be done? I was just wondering if W 10 might have the same thing. If a restore puts you back to W 7, that is great. I guess I am worrying about something that I don't need to be concerned with now.
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22 Jan 2015   #46
Wordsworth

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
There is an additional aspect to their one OS with continuous updates. That is less development pain.

Right now with XP, Vista W8 and W8.1 out there they have to constantly worry about backwards compatibility which is a real pain for a developer. Worrysome because the customers will not move away from their old OS if their programs do not work in the new OS. Especially large companies have a big investment in own programs. And also in training of their personal.

Once they have rounded them all up to the new W10 with continuous upgrades, most of that problem goes away. I think it is a smart strategy.

After 35 years in mainframe OS development I know how painful backwards compatibility can be - plus the pain and cost of maintaining several operating systems that are 'current' at the same time.
I was thinking that last night as well. Microsoft's one-year long offer is also intended to attempt getting as many on board with 10 as possible. Any resources they can move away from legacy stuff is the better for new product development. Having been in automotive engineering I can understand wanting to move resources to new product. I always enjoyed reaching the point of handing off legacy/maintenance stuff and digging into an all new program.
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22 Jan 2015   #47
PeaB4YouGo

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
Well I think that the interface must change over time. Look at it now and the hardware enables new types of interfaces - mouse+keyboard -> touch pad or screen + virtual keyboard -> Cortana + virtual reality etc. But if you are talking about the software interfaces - that has to evolve as well to enable more complex and different types of applications. You just can't evolve anything without breaking compatibility at some point.
In order to run the Tech Preview, MS says that if your system runs 8.1, then you already have the minimum HW specs. Has there been any sort of indication of what the minimum specs will need to be to run the final release? My system is over 6 yrs old. I like the idea of upgrading to 10, but if my system won't handle it (or, it won't handle my system) I won't be able to jump on board until Uncle Ernie sets me up in his will....
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22 Jan 2015   #48
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Bad news people you will be only able to install windows 10 free version through windows update only. That is my interpretation. This make me very. I was really considering trying the consumer preview when it comes out and maybe getting the free version but I wanted either a flash drive or dvd install not a windows update installation. My final decision is I am sticking with windows 7 for the life of my computer, with one exception if the update is really cheap and comes on DVD or Flash drive.


https://winpreview.catalysis.com/reg...WRF0&loc=en-US

Located at the bottom.

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*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more information and additional offer terms in coming months.
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22 Jan 2015   #49
gregrocker

 

We've been able to get ISO's for all versions of Windows 10 Technical Preview so far at Windows 10 Forums. So I'd follow along there.

The latest build's ISO file along with tools to burn or write to DVD or flash stick is kept current in Clean Install Windows 10 Technical Preview.

For interim builds that don't yet have ISO's the ability to create one from the files pushed through by Preview Updates is tracked in ESD to ISO - Create Bootable ISO from Windows 10 ESD File.

I hope this helps.
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22 Jan 2015   #50
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
We've been able to get ISO's for all versions of Windows 10 Technical Preview so far at Windows 10 Forums. So I'd follow along there.

The latest build's ISO file along with tools to burn or write to DVD or flash stick is kept current in Clean Install Windows 10 Technical Preview.

For interim builds that don't yet have ISO's the ability to create one from the files pushed through by Preview Updates is tracked in ESD to ISO - Create Bootable ISO from Windows 10 ESD File.

I hope this helps.
Gregrocker,

I am not talking about getting an ISO for the windows 10 preview or consumer preview that still going to happen. When windows 10 is released they are going make the free version only available through windows update. Windows update will install windows 10 release version automatically. I really don't like that.
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