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Windows 7: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

20 May 2015   #51
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yep all my system to date were all 6-700.us range mediocre at best but decent stat's,
There were countless low end/ low powered H-P systems that were pure crap but priced similar.


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20 May 2015   #52
alphanumeric

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

There is a plus side to mandatory updates, for Microsoft anyway. At present in Windows 8. Every time your run Windows update it has to take inventory of what updates you've done and what updates you haven't done. Ever wonder why it takes so long to "Check for updates"? Then figure out what updates to offer and what order to install them in etc. That adds up to almost endless permutations of how its going to update any one PC. If all updates are done when issued, and you haven't uninstalled any, assuming they will allow that, it should be easier and quicker to update your PC. I'm still not in favor of it but I can see why they might want to do it.
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20 May 2015   #53
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs
I did not want to contradict your posting. This is my independent definition of a low cost system. I realize that 'Low Cost' means different things to different people. But I thought that this is abour as good as it gets.
If you read my post you would see I said it was a mistake to try to sell low end systems with Linux preloaded. What should be done is sell the same system you find at BestBuy with Windows preloaded, such as a $1200 quad core tower, with Linux loaded instead. This would bring the price down a bit and still provide a kick ass machine.

I compared the low end strategy to trying to sell consoles that stick on the TV for email without a real computer. I never wrote that $900 was a low end system. Quite the contrary. If the only difference was the MS license then we would have a good idea how much that adds to the cost. Which may be one reason it didn't happen. They rolled out these low end low powered machines to quash the comparison.

I at least understand your point better. I do disagree about pre-installing Linux on low end system though. I think most non-tech people normally want a system doesn't matter what operating system is on it, for as low price as they can get it and it works for their needs.
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20 May 2015   #54
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs
I did not want to contradict your posting. This is my independent definition of a low cost system. I realize that 'Low Cost' means different things to different people. But I thought that this is abour as good as it gets.
If you read my post you would see I said it was a mistake to try to sell low end systems with Linux preloaded. What should be done is sell the same system you find at BestBuy with Windows preloaded, such as a $1200 quad core tower, with Linux loaded instead. This would bring the price down a bit and still provide a kick ass machine.

I compared the low end strategy to trying to sell consoles that stick on the TV for email without a real computer. I never wrote that $900 was a low end system. Quite the contrary. If the only difference was the MS license then we would have a good idea how much that adds to the cost. Which may be one reason it didn't happen. They rolled out these low end low powered machines to quash the comparison.

I at least understand your point better. I do disagree about pre-installing Linux on low end system though. Regardless, of whether a low end cost $500, $400, $300, $200 or $100. I think most non-tech people normally want a system doesn't matter what operating system is on it, for as low price as they can get it and it works for their needs.
I give up. I can't force anyone to read what I write. No matter.

Edit: In any case it was always my feeling what held me back in Linux was the foreign feel of the text editors. It is because of my Dos/Windows/OS2 heritage no doubt. I felt forced to concentrate on manipulating the keys rather than the content of the text. I did start to get the hang of vi for a time. But most of the time I used Kylix just to edit text as it had the Windows bindings. Last time I checked there still weren't many choices for free text editors with a Windows feel. I tried kedit and all the ones people suggest. But they don't come close to the feel of even the Kylix IDE editor.

Just my $.02
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20 May 2015   #55
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

For text editing in Linux I use the Writer of Libre Office. That is very similar to Word in Windows Office.
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20 May 2015   #56
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post

If you read my post you would see I said it was a mistake to try to sell low end systems with Linux preloaded.

What should be done is sell the same system you find at BestBuy with Windows preloaded, such as a $1200 quad core tower, with Linux loaded instead. This would bring the price down a bit and still provide a kick ass machine.

I compared the low end strategy to trying to sell consoles that stick on the TV for email without a real computer. I never wrote that $900 was a low end system. Quite the contrary. If the only difference was the MS license then we would have a good idea how much that adds to the cost. Which may be one reason it didn't happen. They rolled out these low end low powered machines to quash the comparison.



I at least understand your point better. I do disagree about pre-installing Linux on low end system though. I think most non-tech people normally want a system doesn't matter what operating system is on it, for as low price as they can get it and it works for their needs.
I give up. I can't force anyone to read what I write. No matter.

Edit: In any case it was always my feeling what held me back in Linux was the foreign feel of the text editors. It is because of my Dos/Windows/OS2 heritage no doubt. I felt forced to concentrate on manipulating the keys rather than the content of the text. I did start to get the hang of vi for a time. But most of the time I used Kylix just to edit text as it had the Windows bindings. Last time I checked there still weren't many choices for free text editors with a Windows feel. I tried kedit and all the ones people suggest. But they don't come close to the feel of even the Kylix IDE editor.

Just my $.02
MilesAhead I was just commenting on what I put in bold. I adjusted my quote as well.
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20 May 2015   #57
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze
MilesAhead I was just commenting on what I put in bold. I adjusted my quote as well.
Sorry. This morning it took me like 3 hours to upload a 365 KB file. I guess I was distracted.
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08 Jun 2015   #58
Laith

Windows 10 Professional x64
 
 

Well, this is unfortunate. My Samsung will still keep it's Windows 7 as it is it's limit. If you look at my specs you'll see what i mean. This computer i still gonna be at Windows 7 because everything i need is here.
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08 Jun 2015   #59
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Automatic & Mandatory

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
MS still has to maintain some order of updates even if there's no real "version". Unless they make updates mandatory (automatic with no choice), some may choose not to update and that state of the OS would have to be known.
There has been a lot of talk suggesting that W10 updates will be automatic and mandatory.
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09 Jun 2015   #60
JustCall

Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit
 
 

One last minute for the good old WinXP
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