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Windows 7: May 12th 2015 Windows Updates Security Bulletin Details

17 May 2015   #71
Computer0304

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit/Windows 8 64-bit/Win7 Pro64-bit
 
 

Wait, does the whole SFC corruption issue mean the update is broken? Or does it not really matter unless you care about SFC?


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17 May 2015   #72
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

I do care and want to know if SFC is working reliably.
Many folks might never run SFC, so they would never know about the issue, and don't care.

Recently I updated 8.1, no errors, rebooted, no errors, tested all my "regular programs", no errors, ...
So, everything looked good to me.
After that recent round of updates and my testing, i browsed the EF forum and read about folks having SFC issues.
I ran SFC and saw the same SFC error others were reporting and asking about.
I ended up restoring a backup image to fix my problem.

I later learned about the problem KB(s) and SFCFix tool.
I don't want to have issues later and have SFC report problems that started earlier, because of a bad MS update.

I now run SFC after all Windows Updates to make sure it still works "reliably".
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17 May 2015   #73
Computer0304

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit/Windows 8 64-bit/Win7 Pro64-bit
 
 

Well, I'll just keep a note of this in case next time I run SFC it reports a problem. Problems with SFC won't cause other problems, right? There doesn't seem to be any news articles in the Internet talking about any major issues.
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17 May 2015   #74
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yep in 10tp I just wanted to control the when the updates were loaded not the what updates were loaded,
In 7 I want to control both and that would also be true if I use 10 full release "if" and when a 10 system builders/ oem is released.

I like many others do not like surprises every morning or even once a month it's disruptive and counter productive and I'm no damn test monkey for M$ and it's protecting large companies why my sacrifice of culling out errors for them
I'm a small company so error/ bad updates effect me more.

sfc /verifyonly came up clean.
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17 May 2015   #75
phenix

windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

I have a bone to pick about people that use abbreviations. They assume that everyone
knows what the hell they are talking about. So what is "SFC".
It seems from reading these messages I need to investigate it.
Please more details how to get and use "SFC".
I also don't like Microsoft using us as their test monkeys.....
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17 May 2015   #76
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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17 May 2015   #77
Computer0304

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit/Windows 8 64-bit/Win7 Pro64-bit
 
 

Hey there, sorry if you didn't know what SFC means. Check out this tutorial: SFC /SCANNOW Command - System File Checker for info about what it is and when you need to use it.

Edit: Oops, looks like we posted at the same time.
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17 May 2015   #78
Scoop

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Yes and the fact that it was optional/recommended as opposed to "important" still makes it a problem if you try to install it. I recommend making a system image before installing any updates now.
Good advice. I've been Cloning every 2 weeks for about 3+ years on my PC's just for basic HDD backup copies to have a rollback option for numerous potential issues. I also Image but less frequently as I have 2 Cloned HDD's in the service loop.

After seeing the WU problems seemingly increase last July-August, I adjusted my 2-week Cloning's so that I do one on the Saturday before installing the previously deployed Patch Tuesday updates. I'll usually look around the 'net ("********.com", etc) and here to see if there's any reported issues with WU's that preceding Tuesday.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
I create backup images prior to installing any "Patch Tuesday" Updates.
I've been doing this for 6 years (since I first got a free imaging program).

This sort of fiasco is why I don't have much confidence in MS' new plan of pushing out updates "every few seconds" for W10.
MS had better restore the ability to turn off auto-updating (once W10 is released) unless they want constant bad publicity.

If they don't, people are going to have to unplug their network cables to protect themselves.
I don't want to have to image my PC prior to plugging in the network cable everyday.

I guess my options will be, stick with W7 and/or use Linux Mint every time I want to use the Internet.
I agree. I've been reading about W10 for a while and that is one of my 2 main questions. The other one is the talk about "secure boot" locking (user possibly not allowed to unlock to BIOS/legacy to boot to utility media (tool/rescue media, etc). It should be interesting to see what happens when the W10 general release is here and we begin to receive feedback about it.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I routinely image once a week (whether I need it or not) plus what I've already mentioned. Besides making sure any updates aren't going to be problematic, I wait until the end of the week after I've made my weekly image to run most updates, run the updates, then make another image. I keep the images for 8 weeks, then discard the older ones (I have the paid version of Macrium Reflect and is automatically discards images older than eight weeks). I also run my data backups after making images so the images will get backed up. And yes, I am paranoid and OCD.
I haven't been Imaging or Cloning after the WU installs, good idea. I might add that to my HDD backup routine.

Paranoia... "not" . If everyone was backing up HDD's at home, it would reduce malware/PUP postings (for assistance/removal) by perhaps 90% ? That may be a cautious estimate; maybe 95+% .

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
I do care and want to know if SFC is working reliably.
Many folks might never run SFC, so they would never know about the issue, and don't care.

Recently I updated 8.1, no errors, rebooted, no errors, tested all my "regular programs", no errors, ...
So, everything looked good to me.
After that recent round of updates and my testing, i browsed the EF forum and read about folks having SFC issues.
I ran SFC and saw the same SFC error others were reporting and asking about.
I ended up restoring a backup image to fix my problem.

I later learned about the problem KB(s) and SFCFix tool.
I don't want to have issues later and have SFC report problems that started earlier, because of a bad MS update.

I now run SFC after all Windows Updates to make sure it still works "reliably".
Thanks for the suggestion. This is something I'll add to my routine, Pre and Post sfc /verifyonly to see the results after WU's.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Computer0304 View Post
Wait, does the whole SFC corruption issue mean the update is broken? Or does it not really matter unless you care about SFC?
That's a good point. I have several sfc detections on my less-used Toshiba Laptop PC but it's running good on Win 7x64 OEM as far as I can see, no visible issues, no BSOD's since it was purchased in 2011.

The ideal result is to have no problems reported with sfc but I wonder what is the real consequences of everyday PC use if you see problems present with the sfc scan check.

[update] I see what my issue is with the Laptop. It's related to files that I don't access. I looked at the sfcdetails.txt file to see results.

I like your Sig:

"My take on Murphy's law: Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong... eventually. So BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!"

Lady Fitzgerald's is great too. As a former RAID 1 user, "ditto"

Backup, backup, backup! And RAID is NOT a backup!
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17 May 2015   #79
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Lets say you do an image backup for windows 10, a bad update installs, restore from the image backup the bad update still install unless you somehow block windows updates using a host file or other method.

Will updates be forced if you are on a metered connection or have bandwidth limits when windows 10 is Released? Currently windows 10 preview metered connection is working from what I read and not downloading updates.

The other thing I am concern, if you are on a slow high speed connection and update comes through and you are watching a video, it could cause the video to buffer more.

Even Most Linux distros let you install updates when you want.
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17 May 2015   #80
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

In a normal update world the updates would either load at 2am or during inactivity
The issue I hate is when I want to shut down and run and there might be a update shield and so I have to wait and see if the update errors out.... causing a unwanted delay in leaving.
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