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Windows 7: Windows 10 Available on July 29

11 Jun 2015   #91
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed. We have a saying in the U.S. the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and this happens in a lot businesses.
So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.


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11 Jun 2015   #92
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed. We have a saying in the U.S. the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and this happens in a lot businesses.
So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.

Boozad read my post, I never said Microsoft would or wouldn't release an iso.

I said a lot that doesn't mean all businesses

However, I had experience myself with a business that didn't know what the left hand was doing. When we brought that to their boards attention we were forced out.
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11 Jun 2015   #93
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Just think a bit geeks, this is getting really ridiculous. Let's try to summarize the recent posts:

"Will this new OS from Microsoft become available for a clean install, too, or will the only option to get it be to first get a legacy OS and upgrade it trough Windows update?"

Sounds stupid, doesn't it? What OS maker would release a new OS and then only make it available to those who already have an older OS from them?

Thinking, using the brain is of course not obligatory but it is strongly recommended.
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11 Jun 2015   #94
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed. We have a saying in the U.S. the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and this happens in a lot businesses.
So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.
Actually, the bolded portion isn't so ridiculous. Having worked in Corporate America all my adult life (until I got fed up six years ago and told my last employer to take a hike), I can assure you the right hand not knowing what the left hand (not mention various other body parts) was doing was NOT an uncommon scenario. Upper management rarely had a clue what was really happening at the lower levels. Also, businesses rarely truly care about their employees and customers, no matter what they claim; their primary concern is for the bottom line and/or their shareholders. For example, car dealers and companies lie to consumers all the time.
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11 Jun 2015   #95
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I for one I'm tired of guessing what Microsoft is going to do and how.
Kari I understand what you are saying and it does make sense.

Microsoft wants as many copies of Windows 10 out in the world as it can. Microsoft wants numbers of copies not number of dollars at this time. Microsoft does not want Windows 8 numbers with it's new Windows 10.

That makes me think they will have several option on how to get Windows 10 free or paid for.

Now all we need is Microsoft to let us know what those option are and the methods on how to use them. Straight from the Microsoft horses mouth.
Everything else is nothing but speculation and more confusion.
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11 Jun 2015   #96
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed. We have a saying in the U.S. the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and this happens in a lot businesses.
So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.

Boozad read my post, I never said Microsoft would or wouldn't release an iso.
I did read your post, I just read it again.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed.
While you didn't say in so many words that MS won't release an ISO the bolded part above basically says that what Gabe Aul has stated means nothing. So either you mean he's a liar and there may be no ISO, or MS are liars and there will be no ISO, or you're so clever you want to suggest to people that they shouldn't believe what MS (or more to the point Gabe Aul) has told us will happen because, well, you know better.

Stop posting stupid things then saying you didn't say exactly what you did say, just in different words. The bolded part above says Just because MS say there will be an ISO doesn't mean there will be. You have no idea if there will or won't be so why tell people to not believe it?
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11 Jun 2015   #97
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Even though Boozad posted the upgrade matrix, doesn't mean Microsoft will follow it or will even do what Gabriel has confirmed. We have a saying in the U.S. the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and this happens in a lot businesses.
So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.
Actually, the bolded portion isn't so ridiculous. Having worked in Corporate America all my adult life (until I got fed up six years ago and told my last employer to take a hike), I can assure you the right hand not knowing what the left hand (not mention various other body parts) was doing was NOT an uncommon scenario. Upper management rarely had a clue what was really happening at the lower levels. Also, businesses rarely truly care about their employees and customers, no matter what they claim; their primary concern is for the bottom line and/or their shareholders. For example, car dealers and companies lie to consumers all the time.
I understand, I work for a large American company myself and the chasms between my level (the lowest) to lower management, then middle management and finally upper management is shocking. They could make so much more money if the structure was altered. I'd love to show them the finger but they pay me way too well for that.

Having said that, we wouldn't keep the customers that we have happy if we lied to them all of the time. Or any of the time. I agree about some/lots of companies and the left hand/right hand analogy, but I don't see why people have to say 'Hey, Microsoft are bulls*****g you here you know, there will be no ISOs!' just because MS have stated there will be.
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11 Jun 2015   #98
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Boozard,

I really don't want to disagree with you, I didn't mean to imply that one way or another.

I do agree with Layback bear statement though.
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11 Jun 2015   #99
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Boozad View Post

So basically I'm never to believe anything any American business ever states again, there won't be ISOs available for W10, and you know better than Microsoft regarding the future of the OS deplyoment strategies.

Utterly ridiculous.
Actually, the bolded portion isn't so ridiculous. Having worked in Corporate America all my adult life (until I got fed up six years ago and told my last employer to take a hike), I can assure you the right hand not knowing what the left hand (not mention various other body parts) was doing was NOT an uncommon scenario. Upper management rarely had a clue what was really happening at the lower levels. Also, businesses rarely truly care about their employees and customers, no matter what they claim; their primary concern is for the bottom line and/or their shareholders. For example, car dealers and companies lie to consumers all the time.
I understand, I work for a large American company myself and the chasms between my level (the lowest) to lower management, then middle management and finally upper management is shocking. They could make so much more money if the structure was altered. I'd love to show them the finger but they pay me way too well for that.

Having said that, we wouldn't keep the customers that we have happy if we lied to them all of the time. Or any of the time. I agree about some/lots of companies and the left hand/right hand analogy, but I don't see why people have to say 'Hey, Microsoft are bulls*****g you here you know, there will be no ISOs!' just because MS have stated there will be.
Frankly, MS has flip-flopped so many times in the past couple of years or so (look at just Win 8.0 and Win 8.1) and kept surprising us with this new thing or the loss of that thing during the Win 10 test period, I find it impssible to trust them. The biggest fear I have, which has been discussed very little, is MS is priming us for forced cloud computing before it is ready for prime time (which I doubt will happen in my lifetime), if only because cloud development was Nadella's baby before he replaced Ballsmore (sic). Frankly, I think MS' controlling shareholders and the Board have been watching too many episodes of CSI and Bones.
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11 Jun 2015   #100
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
The biggest fear I have, which has been discussed very little, is MS is priming us for forced cloud computing before it is ready for prime time (which I doubt will happen in my lifetime), if only because cloud development was Nadella's baby before he replaced Ballsmore (sic). Frankly, I think MS' controlling shareholders and the Board have been watching too many episodes of CSI and Bones.
It has been discussed quite a lot, I have been participating quite a many of those discussions, and will post the same as I have always posted in those conversations:

Please explain how on earth are you "forced to" or MS is "priming us" to cloud computing? Install with a local account, don't connect to online services like OneDrive, Skype or third party services like Dropbox and so on, how on earth can you call that cloud computing any more than the cloud computing you already do and have done since since over 20 years, beginning of the WWW era?

MS is not forcing anything. They could have removed the local account option but they didn't.
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