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Windows 7: SSD Prices In A Free Fall

04 Jul 2015   #91
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post

That's where the dual ssd hot swap evo case comes in mighty handy

Dang!

heh heh


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04 Jul 2015   #92
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

I do however have a mx100 128gb ssd doing nothing right now
I was going to put my new builds 7 os on it but didn't want to do it that way and just got a 500gb ssd Samsung 850 pro evo and put it on that instead
I split it in half and I'll put games and files on the other half
500gb for 169.us isn't bad either

The other 2-250gb's are for 8.1 and win-10 which i'm in no hurry to do either.
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04 Jul 2015   #93
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.
If you find the weight too heavy to carry, say by one drive(where have I heard that name before? Hmmm ) just lob it on over. I hate to see a forum friend in distress.
You are such a good friend!
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05 Jul 2015   #94
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.
If you find the weight too heavy to carry, say by one drive(where have I heard that name before? Hmmm ) just lob it on over. I hate to see a forum friend in distress.
You are such a good friend!
I try to be there when it matters most.
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15 Jul 2015   #95
Scottyboy99

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location.

My current spinner on the Alienware laptop is one horrible booter. Almost 2 minutes just to reach windows. As it was a possible nightmare getting a conventional SSD into it (I wish I'd bought one when I ordered!) without compromising my windows install (single partition) I looked into cache SSDs. I found OCZ synapse 128gb drive (64 available due to over provisioning). I installed it and then the dataplex software once in windows. It keeps the caching SSD hidden and moves ' hot ' data onto the SSD. I have had it three years and it takes a fair old pummelling usage wise but is still going real strong. It's not as fast as a proper SSD but gives great SSD performance across the entire 750 gb storage on the main drive as it learns your patterns. My boot went down to about 25 seconds. And once in windows it's not sluggish as it continues to load, internet explorer open straight away and ready to use. I don't think the cache SSD drives are all that common now but I wanted to share my experience. The only annoyance can be in the event of an unclean shutdown, the dataplex software and the way it interacts with the spinner / SSD needs windows to shut down properly as it can mess up if it hasn't had chance to write back properly. Luckily I have not had much issue as power cuts won't disrupt a laptop that has battery fall back. The one time I did have a small issue wear I had to force shutdown on power button dataplex detected there had been unclean shutdown on the next boot and a utility ran to restore the cache. I don't know exactly what it did but ten minutes later all was done and I was back in business with no lingering side effect

If these type of drives are still available I can recommend them for windows 7 fully. Unfortunately dataplex is now part of a buy out so they never released dataplex for windows 8 but I have heard it still works on that OS. Not that it bothers me as I wouldn't touch windows 8 with a barge pole!!!
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15 Jul 2015   #96
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Scottyboy99 View Post
Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location...
Why not keep your music files on a spinner? I don't use iTunes but both my mp3s and the .wave files are on one of my spinners and the player I use—MediaMonkey—resides in a program folder on the C: drive. By keeping all my data on the spinners, I'm able to use a 128GB SSD with plenty of room to spare.
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15 Jul 2015   #97
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Scottyboy99 View Post
Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location.

My current spinner on the Alienware laptop is one horrible booter. Almost 2 minutes just to reach windows. As it was a possible nightmare getting a conventional SSD into it (I wish I'd bought one when I ordered!) without compromising my windows install (single partition) I looked into cache SSDs. I found OCZ synapse 128gb drive (64 available due to over provisioning). I installed it and then the dataplex software once in windows. It keeps the caching SSD hidden and moves ' hot ' data onto the SSD. I have had it three years and it takes a fair old pummelling usage wise but is still going real strong. It's not as fast as a proper SSD but gives great SSD performance across the entire 750 gb storage on the main drive as it learns your patterns. My boot went down to about 25 seconds. And once in windows it's not sluggish as it continues to load, internet explorer open straight away and ready to use. I don't think the cache SSD drives are all that common now but I wanted to share my experience. The only annoyance can be in the event of an unclean shutdown, the dataplex software and the way it interacts with the spinner / SSD needs windows to shut down properly as it can mess up if it hasn't had chance to write back properly. Luckily I have not had much issue as power cuts won't disrupt a laptop that has battery fall back. The one time I did have a small issue wear I had to force shutdown on power button dataplex detected there had been unclean shutdown on the next boot and a utility ran to restore the cache. I don't know exactly what it did but ten minutes later all was done and I was back in business with no lingering side effect

If these type of drives are still available I can recommend them for windows 7 fully. Unfortunately dataplex is now part of a buy out so they never released dataplex for windows 8 but I have heard it still works on that OS. Not that it bothers me as I wouldn't touch windows 8 with a barge pole!!!
I'm using SSD/HDD caching in Raid0 but with the embedded Intel software and its working pretty good at loading windows 7. Since its only caching in the SSD for me it doesn't matter if its crashing at stutdown, it does rebuild upon reboot and restore cached datas.

The only annoyance is that when i have to deep file checking or do a repair start up, i've to unmount the caching to have access to windows 7 with the recovery console tool.

Also got my music files on a spinner and i found it useful to put them apart, because the HDD can go to low power state when i'm not openning the library with Windows Media Player, but i'm not on laptop....
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29 Aug 2015   #98
OvenMaster

Win7 Pro 32bit; Zorin OS 9 Core (in VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Also, can you cite a source that supports encryption raising Cain with TRIM? This is the first I've heard of that.
(Original post 26 June 2015)
Finally found it. I had misplaced my FF bookmark. Sorry for the two month delay.

"Encrypted Volumes

Encrypted volumes and SSD drives don’t play well together due to the wear leveling
and performance issues described above. In many configurations, the crypto containers
will encrypt the entire space on the drive, including free space. This turns every
write on that disk into a re-write, which significantly slows down write performance
on SSDs. The manufacturers of crypto containers recognized the issue and introduced
ways (such us various configurations and advanced options) to mitigate the issue
by releasing unused space back to the SSD controller, which in turn weakens overall
security (as free unencrypted sectors are easy to tell).


If an encrypted volume of a fixed size is created, the default behavior is also
to encrypt the entire content of a file representing the encrypted volume, which
disables the effect of the TRIM command for the contents of the encrypted volume."



Why SSD Drives Destroy Court Evidence, and What Can Be Done About It | Forensic Focus - Articles
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29 Aug 2015   #99
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OvenMaster View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Also, can you cite a source that supports encryption raising Cain with TRIM? This is the first I've heard of that.
(Original post 26 June 2015)
Finally found it. I had misplaced my FF bookmark. Sorry for the two month delay.

"Encrypted Volumes

Encrypted volumes and SSD drives don’t play well together due to the wear leveling
and performance issues described above. In many configurations, the crypto containers
will encrypt the entire space on the drive, including free space. This turns every
write on that disk into a re-write, which significantly slows down write performance
on SSDs. The manufacturers of crypto containers recognized the issue and introduced
ways (such us various configurations and advanced options) to mitigate the issue
by releasing unused space back to the SSD controller, which in turn weakens overall
security (as free unencrypted sectors are easy to tell).

If an encrypted volume of a fixed size is created, the default behavior is also
to encrypt the entire content of a file representing the encrypted volume, which
disables the effect of the TRIM command for the contents of the encrypted volume."


Why SSD Drives Destroy Court Evidence, and What Can Be Done About It | Forensic Focus - Articles
Thanks for the reply! Better late than never.
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