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Windows 7: Win10 Does Not Violate Your Privacy

29 Sep 2015   #21
Painter

W7Pro/64
 
 

W10 is tapping into the social space that previous incarnations of Windows did not. To do this they have chosen to personalize certain aspects of the way the user interacts with the operating system and its features. As with any social platform personal data and usage particulars creates a unique experience. It is piracy rather than spying and they are quite transparent about it in the EULA and Privacy document. According to the Public Relations document, much of the information collected is used to improve or maintain the intent of the OS. The key, being the intent.

You surrender a great deal of privacy when you agree to the W10 EULA. Fortunately W7 is a pure OS and does not have its head in the clouds. Just watch out for the Trojan horse known as GWX.


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29 Sep 2015   #22
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Groze, you mean to tell me that Microsoft may actually have to comply with a Federal Court order? How unethical of them, even though they are fighting not to comply with one right now.

You obviously are not aware that every major search engine knows what sites you search for and what sights you go to from those searches? Darn, even Amazon and your ISP tracks you. Get real. Your browser has never asked you if you want it to remember passwords or auto complete web forms?

Would you at least agree that it is difficult, if not impossible, to write an EULA that complies with the laws of every Country and municipality in the world? So, much of what you read does not even apply to you.

Most of us were expecting you to not accept this statement, which you have asked for in the past. Next we are going to hear you tell us that the NSA and CIA developed Windows 7.


Jack ws right. If you want your privacy protected, pull the plug on your computer and never turn it on again, take a sledge hammer to your cell phone, and never leave you house again. Don't forget those surveillance cameras and traffic cameras.

As Derek said, provide some proof of your baseless accusations. Not what some paranoid blogger said. Show us the lines of code that proves what you are ranting about.
essenbe
I do have an open mind. I don't recall saying that but I do forget things.

I did find something interesting though. I am not saying this. Its not for the reason some people think. It was to help them make windows more secure that the way I understand it.

NSA helped with Windows 7 development | Computerworld
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29 Sep 2015   #23
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

groze,
Let's deal with one tiny thing at a time.

In post #14, you stated, "...the E.U.L.A. says they collect passwords..."

Is this what you are referring to?
Quote:
Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.
Source.
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29 Sep 2015   #24
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

It's kind of tough to violate something when agreeing with the terms of use
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29 Sep 2015   #25
rubyrubyroo

MS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit (Family Pack Lic.) Upgrade
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
My concern is the E.U.L.A. says they collect passwords and record sites you visit. They never said anything about that.

To expect otherwise is foolish. When you're entering ANY information that some system has direct access to, it will probably log it, and if it doesn't, consider yourself lucky. I also expect that the wording that you've used has had it's fair share of 'twisting'! Usually something like they "retain the right to..." or whatnot. But I agree, this means they pretty much will.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Another thing that bugs me it says they may turn over data to legal authority? If they don't collect data, how would they know what data to turn over?

This serves two purposes, IMHO, (1) To make it clear that they have saved information that will be turned over to the appropriate authorities that request it with proper authorization, e.g. NSA, FBI, etc. and (2) If they have any reason to believe that your information should send up red flags or whatever, they will probably forward it to whomever. If your purchasing tons of high-nitrate fertilizer or interacting with several IPs in Syria, it might be worth having someone go through the stack of information of such people.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze
I am actually lost on this derekimo. I am really confused.

I agree.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze
One of the articles said Microsoft doesn't collect data that wouldn't I.D. you. However, the E.U.L.A. does says they will turn over data to authorities if needed. So if they turn over data to the authorities, how are the authorities going to know whom to go after if the data given doesn't include personal information?
Double negatives [in BOLD] can be confusing (and logically inaccurate).I believe you meant to state that MS doesn't collect data that would be considered "individually identifiable information", IOW It doesn't tie sufficient pieces together to definitively identify you to that set of data. Well, even if they keep your IP, name, password, et cetera, who's to say who was at that PC and knows your info? They would be violating this if they saved it along with local CCD-video footage or the data from a retinal scanner or something. So all it does at best is give people information that is of unknown accuracy.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze
Note, these are not exact word for word quotes.
Really! Naaa... Well,maybe just a little....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze
On my posting, I probably try to abbreviate to much or make my posting to short so people would understand me. It takes me awhile to post my thoughts online.
Precisely, you're posting YOUR THOUGHTS within the conceptual constraints of the ACTUAL QUOTED MATERIAL - in some shade between ‘purposely’ and ‘without realizing what you were doing it’. I personally suspect (and hope) it's more of the latter case.

MS is not exactly in the market of giving away free stuff unless it’s product support, especially not Windows Upgrades, so yes, of course it's suspect! But these are not the only reasons...Remember, happier users => MS returns a little bit closer to being a monopoly like they once basically were. It's difficult to compete with FREE products!

Those are my thoughts on the matter anyway...
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29 Sep 2015   #26
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
groze,
Let's deal with one tiny thing at a time.

In post #14, you stated, "...the E.U.L.A. says they collect passwords..."

Is this what you are referring to?
Quote:
Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.
Source.
Yes and What is that suppose to mean UsernameIssue?
I assumed it meant all sites you visit that require passwords. If it is just Microsoft accounts I have no issues with that.
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29 Sep 2015   #27
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
groze,
Let's deal with one tiny thing at a time.

In post #14, you stated, "...the E.U.L.A. says they collect passwords..."

Is this what you are referring to?
Quote:
Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.
Source.
Yes and What is that suppose to mean UsernameIssue?
I assumed it meant all sites you visit that require passwords. If it is just Microsoft accounts I have no issues with that.
Let's ask derekimo and essenbe what it means :-)
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29 Sep 2015   #28
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

If I had to guess it would be a Edge browser deal with any logons while using it,
10 is so intertwined with all of these apps I doubt even using another browser would restrict what 10 absorbs/ collects that is the wild part I'm not too crazy about = keyloggers have turned into an accepted practice

Not my cup of tea.
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29 Sep 2015   #29
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
If you don't want to be tracked, your only option is don't connect to the internet, clearing cookies is a huge placebo as browser fingerprinting is much better for the tracker.
I might not be able to stop all tracking and harvesting of personal information but that doesn't mean I have to willing invite it with open arms. At some point one has to say, "HELL no!" and, for me, that is post Win 7.
Agreed.

The idea; "you can't stop something happening 100% of the time, so you shouldn't bother to do anything ever" apparently doesn't apply in other situations.

You don't see people posting, "you can't stop a bulldozer from driving into your house, so don't bother to lock your doors".
OTOH, if you did see posts like that I expect you'd also see, "don't own anything" posted as a valid solution.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Groze, you mean to tell me that Microsoft may actually have to comply with a Federal Court order? How unethical of them, even though they are fighting not to comply with one right now.
There would be no point in getting a Federal Court order, if MS had no data on users.

"Cloud" storage is problematic though.
However, if a user has decided to use "Cloud" storage, that is the trade off the user has made (deliberately or unwittingly).
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29 Sep 2015   #30
xips

 
 

So M$ pays lip service to non-75M. Meanwhile, they vacuum everything done on 10, cut you out of managing your life and all you have to do is agree to the their data mining. They should be paying me.
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