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Windows 7: Windows 10 upgrades reportedly appearing as mandatory for some users

18 Oct 2015   #31
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...
I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.
Here you go UNI:
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
Source: MS KB3080351 How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options

HTH



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18 Oct 2015   #32
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I don't feel the majority of people's reluctance to take charge of their computers stems so much from laziness as much as from intimidation.
Also earlier operating systems (pre-XP) were very fragile ("Bit Rot", Viruses, etc.).

When I was working as a trainer, I noticed that many people were scared to do anything in case they broke the machine.

When I first started playing around with DOS (early '80s) I opened something called "Edlin.exe" and although I'm sure I didn't execute any commands, I somehow managed to break a floppy full of software.
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18 Oct 2015   #33
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

KB 3035583 is getting into a bit of a hide and seek !


I had 6 in hidden updates all in a row, then 3 disapeared, now I have 2 waiting to collect dust
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18 Oct 2015   #34
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I don't feel the majority of people's reluctance to take charge of their computers stems so much from laziness as much as from intimidation.
Also earlier operating systems (pre-XP) were very fragile ("Bit Rot", Viruses, etc.).

When I was working as a trainer, I noticed that many people were scared to do anything in case they broke the machine.

When I first started playing around with DOS (early '80s) I opened something called "Edlin.exe" and although I'm sure I didn't execute any commands, I somehow managed to break a floppy full of software.
Heck, I'm still afraid I'm going to break something. That's why I make an image before running updates, installing programs, fooling with settings, blowing my nose, etc. It's saved my ample asset many a time.
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18 Oct 2015   #35
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...
I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.
Brink's settings here, actually both of them.....

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Get Windows 10 Icon - Remove from Taskbar in Windows 7 and 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

It seems they were bypassed and the fact that the previously removed updates were forcibly installed.

So Linux Mint on laptop. Found tutorial on line on "10 things to do once you have installed Mint". Installed Linux Version of Workstation 11 and now copying several Windows VM's over to play with. I have begun my migration away from Microsoft.
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18 Oct 2015   #36
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...
I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.
Brink's settings here, actually both of them.....

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Get Windows 10 Icon - Remove from Taskbar in Windows 7 and 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

It seems they were bypassed and the fact that the previously removed updates were forcibly installed.

So Linux Mint on laptop. Found tutorial on line on "10 things to do once you have installed Mint". Installed Linux Version of Workstation 11 and now copying several Windows VM's over to play with. I have begun my migration away from Microsoft.
Thanks for taking the time to provide that detail. I oversee way too many computers to manually deal with updates. The settings below and Windows Update (WU) set to Auto has installed some (all?) of the W10 updates, but not offered the user W10 via the notification area or via WU.

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000
"ReservationsAllowed"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
I did notice the brief time that MS offered W10 as an optional update that had a check by it, but optional updates are not set to auto-install.

I have kept my eye on other operating systems for years, but none of them will work for the organizations that I support. My home users can probably make the switch... but many of them will stay with W7.
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20 Oct 2015   #37
thelordgiveth

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP1
 
 

I have not requested the Windows 10 upgrade. I mind a bit that it has been downloaded into a folder WINDOWS.~BT without my knowledge or asking for it. But I mind a lot that it tried to upgrade itself early on the morning of the 19th without my doing anything to initiate it. Fortunately it failed with error code C1900208. From what I have seen elsewhere this is associated with having antivirus software running, so thank goodness for AVG Free! Leaving aside the dubious tactics of disguising it as an ordinary update, the logic seems twisted as nobody is likely to switch off their AVS to get an upgrade through unless they explicitly want that upgrade.

Now I am worried about other household computers. They all have some form of AVS but it might not stop this seemingly forced upgrade. From memory they are set to Automatic Updates rather than (as on this main computer) Download and Notify, because the users are (even) less techy-savvy than I am.

I've also renamed WINDOWS.~BT but I have no idea whether this would prevent a reoccurrence or simply result in the download being replicated. Seemed worth a try though.

There is some talk that some incompetent at Microsoft accidentally ticked the wrong box, that this was forcing upgrades and that this has now been corrected. In which case immediate problem over

Why don't I just roll with it and take the upgrade? Because I am not happy that my software and hardware will all function after upgrade. Microsoft's own tool says everything is fine but the Epson website says that my all-in-one will be fine as a printer but may not function as a scanner any more. So I do not trust the Microsoft tool. Also, forcibly uninstalling Windows Media Center is an act of vandalism to which I object.
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20 Oct 2015   #38
jamis

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP1
 
 

thelordgiveth: I find it interesting that you have this folder on your system. I don't, but I have all of the W10 prep updates hidden and they always have been. Are you sure you don't have one, or more of them installed on your system?

How to remove the 'Get Windows 10' app from your PC
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20 Oct 2015   #39
thelordgiveth

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP1
 
 

Jamis - Thanks for your reply. I have the "Get Windows 10" icon on the RHS of the taskbar, if that is what you mean. If I click on it I have the option to "upgrade now" or close it, which is what I do. Similarly if the nag screen comes up. I didn't see a problem with having the application that gave access to Windows 10 on the computer, as I thought that should not by itself download or attempt to install. I could get rid of it (assuming it won't then come back all by itself) to avoid any risk of inadvertent initiation. Presumably I can get it back if I want it just before the 12 months' free upgrade runs out.

The $WINDOWS~BT folder appears to have been created on my computer on 10th September, though only three sub-directories (boot, efi and support) carry that date. Sub-directory sources was created on 10/9 but modified on 19/10. The other sub-directories have identical dates of creation and modification - late on the 18th or early on the 19th October. It is now titled (almost) $WINDOWS10 cr#pware Windows~BT, which is much more informative but I'm not sure whether renaming the folder would actually stop any inadvertent installation from getting very far.
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20 Oct 2015   #40
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...
I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.
Here you go UNI:
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
Source: MS KB3080351 How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options

HTH
Thanks. I was looking for W7 users who set the registry not to update and then W7 updated anyway.

I am using some redundant settings:
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000
"ReservationsAllowed"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
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