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Windows 7: Microsoft: here's the new reality of Windows patches

17 Oct 2015   #21
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Steve may have a correct idea about P2P on your network. From one of your computers to the rest of the computer on your internal network/domain.

I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.

I couldn't believe Microsoft would except counterfeit Windows 7 for free Updates to W-10 but they did.

Microsoft will do any thing and I mean anything to get people off of Windows 7 and locked into W-10. Heads will roll in the board room if W-10 doesn't bring in revenue in huge amounts. So I believe the tricks so far are just the the tip of the ice burg of tricks to come from Microsoft.

I just today read on this forum today that Microsoft is going to bundle updates for W-10 and that includes Enterprise.
You take the (Good, Bad and Ugly) as a bundle or you get nothing.
The average user might fall for this method but Enterprise customers are going to start screaming very loud. One of the updates in the bundle might have been found by the I.T. department to screw up their setup and they don't want it. So they can't get the updates they want unless they take the junk also. That boat is not going to float.
If they also start using this bundle update in Windows 7 we are in deep do do.

Every few days Microsoft comes up with some ding a ling idea. I can't wait for the next one.


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17 Oct 2015   #22
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.
Windows Update Delivery Optimization: FAQ - Windows Help

From this tutorial,

Windows Update - Choose how you Download in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

Microsoft: here's the new reality of Windows patches-2015-10-17_19h07_01.png


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17 Oct 2015   #23
FerchogtX

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3
 
 

How sad is to see this politics, Nadela is way worse than Ballmer was...
Windows, as we know it, is dying slowly and becoming more a tool for draining personal data for money than an OS...
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17 Oct 2015   #24
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
A computer on your home network can get updates from any other computer on your network running the same OS. It keeps your internet from having to download the same update over and over for every computer.
I'm all for that, download once for all home PC's.
Do i have to make any special settings for this to work ?

For years i've been
- update W7 x64 on PC2 and that downloads/installs the updates.
- a week later update W7 x64 on PC1 and that downloads/installs the same updates again.

Can i set it so i only download once for both W7 x64 OS's, and only install PC1 updates with the PC2 downloads?
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17 Oct 2015   #25
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
How sad is to see this politics, Nadela is way worse than Ballmer was...
Windows, as we know it, is dying slowly and becoming more a tool for draining personal data for money than an OS...
I totally agree about Nutella being worse than Ballsmore. When I first heard Nutella was replacing Ballsmore, I was worried about it because he was the head of cloud development and would want to send MSpy more into cloud computing. If only that was the only danger. Nutella has his head in the clouds and is completely oblivious to reality and what life is for non-geeks; in other words, the majority of the world. He is has already come under fire for his naivety and condescending attitude on women's rights in the workplace. He has no clue about how many people do not have access to affordable, unlimited internet access and how the existing internet infrastructure worldwide will not be able to support his dreams for cloud based computing for decades, if ever. Despite the dream world he lives in within his personal cloud, he also realizes that the majority of people (sheeple) are easy marks and will take whatever is thrown at them simply because they do not know better. That makes Nutella a very dangerous man and he scares me witless.
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18 Oct 2015   #26
rawshark

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

I don't know if this has been posted anywhere but Susan Bradley created a petition to convince microsoft to revise their policy regarding forced windows 10 updates - https://www.change.org/p/satya-nadel...-in-windows-10 - she goes in to her reasoning here - Suggestions for a more dependable Windows 10

I would add to that microsoft's persistent malware attempts to trick 7 & 8.1 users to install 10 and them not honouring your privacy opt-out choices - Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can?t stop talking to Microsoft | Ars Technica UK
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18 Oct 2015   #27
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote:
Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain
Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.
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18 Oct 2015   #28
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Why would anybody trust a W-10 update using P2P. How would one know if the P2P update was tampered with?
It's not the protocol's fault that some people package malware and distribute it using P2P.
Malware predates torrents and you can still get malware today without using torrent files.

Obviously if you never use torrents then you can't get malware from a torrented file, but that doesn't mean you can't get infected by something else.

Assuming that it works like standard torrent files, if you got the "main control file" from MS, then it should contain security numbers (hashes?) for the individual pieces.
If the "hashes" don't match, I don't think that the pieces will be merged into the final file (they will be marked as corrupted).

As with all downloads, it depends on the trustworthiness of the site (and how good the site's security procedures are).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
As far as I'm concerned P2P and Torrents are NOT to be trusted. Many infection are passed around the world using P2P and Torrents.
TCP and UDP are the main protocols used to deliver malware from the Internet.
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18 Oct 2015   #29
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

No where did I state, indicate, stipulate in any fashion that a P2P or a Torrent is the only way one can get a computing device infected.
I know better than to make such a suggestion.

From post #2


Quote:
Originally Posted by Layback Bear
Why would anybody trust a W-10 update using P2P. How would one know if the P2P update was tampered with?

It's not the protocol's fault that some people package malware and distribute it using P2P.
Malware predates torrents and you can still get malware today without using torrent files[/QUOTE]
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18 Oct 2015   #30
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote:
Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain
Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.

Aside from my question above I just had a scary thought. What if Microsoft started doing cumulative updates for windows 7 & 8.x operating system aside from Internet explorer. No way pick which updates you want to install.

edit I didn't see someone already posted that.
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