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Windows 7: Microsoft: here's the new reality of Windows patches

19 Oct 2015   #31
sverne

win7 64bit
 
 

With time, it is becoming more obvious that MS is up to no good. It wants to eliminate 7 (try windows 7 updates and wait 5 hours to download, etc), and only have win10. Best to protect oneself by Brink's removal method, since MS seems intent on spying and controlling your PC.
From InfoWorld: 10 reasons you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 10 | InfoWorld


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19 Oct 2015   #32
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Steve may have a correct idea about P2P on your network. From one of your computers to the rest of the computer on your internal network/domain.

I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.

I couldn't believe Microsoft would except counterfeit Windows 7 for free Updates to W-10 but they did.

Microsoft will do any thing and I mean anything to get people off of Windows 7 and locked into W-10. Heads will roll in the board room if W-10 doesn't bring in revenue in huge amounts. So I believe the tricks so far are just the the tip of the ice burg of tricks to come from Microsoft.

I just today read on this forum today that Microsoft is going to bundle updates for W-10 and that includes Enterprise.
You take the (Good, Bad and Ugly) as a bundle or you get nothing.
The average user might fall for this method but Enterprise customers are going to start screaming very loud. One of the updates in the bundle might have been found by the I.T. department to screw up their setup and they don't want it. So they can't get the updates they want unless they take the junk also. That boat is not going to float.
If they also start using this bundle update in Windows 7 we are in deep do do.

Every few days Microsoft comes up with some ding a ling idea. I can't wait for the next one.

I agree , they are completely out of control and need to be beat about the head and face area and then disposed of down an abandoned mining shaft .

If that doesn't work i may have to resort to violence , they better leave Win 7 alone because there is a huge influx of new Linux users everyday because of their BS .

If not Win 7 then it will be Linux in some flavor because Win 10 blows .
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19 Oct 2015   #33
spc3rd

Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote:
Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain
Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.
Hi groze,

This is just to mention some info regarding your question about an ICD being a "computer"; The device does have a programmable computer chip inside it. For reference, I've included a link below to info on the National Institutes of Health's website:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/hea...cs/icd/howdoes

[Scroll down to the 5th paragraph on the page]

(I've been doing considerable reading on it lately, due to being newly-diagnosed with ventricular tachycardia (V-tach, for short), and may end up needing one implanted).

Cheers!
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19 Oct 2015   #34
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by spc3rd View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote:
Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain
Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.
Hi groze,

This is just to mention some info regarding your question about an ICD being a "computer"; The device does have a programmable computer chip inside it. For reference, I've included a link below to info on the National Institutes of Health's website:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/hea...cs/icd/howdoes

[Scroll down to the 5th paragraph on the page]

(I've been doing considerable reading on it lately, due to being newly-diagnosed with ventricular tachycardia (V-tach, for short), and may end up needing one implanted).

Cheers!
spc3rd, sorry to hear that. I may need pacemaker myself or a cardioversion* in the future. I have chronic afib. I had a maze procedure & aortic valve replacement (cow-sorry vegetarians (No I don't moo)) in Nov 2013. The maze procedure didn't work. Some medications has helped. I am now reconsidering the cardioversion again. I don't want to do an ablation that is considered inpatient. I couldn't afford the inpatient stay. ICD & Pacemaker can be done on an out-patient basis. The insurance I have covers for all Medical needed services except vision, 3 pints of blood, dental and discharge day if you are an inpatient. I don't have to worry right know about deductibles or copay's or premiums


*I have heard there are new types of cardioversion now. I know of 2 types electrical shock (Basically) & iv drugs.
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19 Oct 2015   #35
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

If m$ plans to eliminate W7, I'm all set. Already have Ubuntu 14.04 and Zorin 9 up and running (on Zorin currently). And on my music rig, I can use W7 indefinitely. Just stop updating it, once the point of no return is reached (if that is where this is going). I can keep that machine offline, so it can have W7 forever. I would ditch W7 entirely, if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.
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20 Oct 2015   #36
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by michael diemer View Post
if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.

JRiver has a Linux version
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20 Oct 2015   #37
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Iforgot View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by michael diemer View Post
if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.

JRiver has a Linux version
JRiver is just an overglorified Media Center. When I think of music creation software, I think of software like sequencers and music notation software. The two giants in music notation software, Finale and Sibelius (which have replaced manual engraving for creating sheet music and aren't bad sequencers, too), can't be even approached in capability by software that is Linux compatible.
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20 Oct 2015   #38
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

Regarding music creation software, it is true that there are Linux versions. My situation is that I work with notes, but on Sonar, a sequencer/DAW. Then I export to Notion, a notation system. Sonar's notation, while good for working, is not suitable for producing a score. Now, I know about Ardour, Rosegarden, etc. The first has no notation to work in, the second does not work with my sample libraries (and most people can't get it to work period). There is one pro level DAW, Bitwig, that runs on any OS, including Linux. but it does not have notation. One hope down the road: Reaper, a DAW, kind of works on Linux, and is rumored to be interested in making that native. It is also working on getting a staff view. Believe me, I have researched this stuff. I know the options (I do appreciate the desire to help, but as I said, I already have this covered). So until a solution becomes available, I can safely work on sonar and Notion, in W7, as long as I need to. I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.
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20 Oct 2015   #39
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by michael diemer View Post
I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.
I don't think Microsoft would make windows 7 or 8.1 unusable. Remember, some computers that have 7 and possibly even 8.x can't be upgraded to windows 10 do to hardware or software issues.
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20 Oct 2015   #40
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by michael diemer View Post
Regarding music creation software, it is true that there are Linux versions. My situation is that I work with notes, but on Sonar, a sequencer/DAW. Then I export to Notion, a notation system. Sonar's notation, while good for working, is not suitable for producing a score. Now, I know about Ardour, Rosegarden, etc. The first has no notation to work in, the second does not work with my sample libraries (and most people can't get it to work period). There is one pro level DAW, Bitwig, that runs on any OS, including Linux. but it does not have notation. One hope down the road: Reaper, a DAW, kind of works on Linux, and is rumored to be interested in making that native. It is also working on getting a staff view. Believe me, I have researched this stuff. I know the options (I do appreciate the desire to help, but as I said, I already have this covered). So until a solution becomes available, I can safely work on sonar and Notion, in W7, as long as I need to. I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.
That, or similar, is probably what I'm going to do. I need to look into the possibility of having one of the flavors Linux installed on my machine and run Win 7 in a VM that is isolated from the internet for the programs I have that won't run in Linux.

What worries me right now is I need to come up with a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Standard XI, preferably one that will work in Linux. It's EOL is 10/15/2017 and its replacement is cloud based, which is a no go for me.
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