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Windows 7: When it comes to Windows 10 privacy, don't trust amateur analysts

12 Feb 2016   #21
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

I question most of the articles that guy writes. Most just make me laugh in all honesty. I'll believe it when I see it.
Can't see it happening myself. I don't think this is something MS is going to change.


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12 Feb 2016   #22
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yep usually takes an act of god or piddly sells to bring changes
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12 Feb 2016   #23
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote from the article referenced:

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That address does indeed belong to Microsoft. It's a Teredo server, teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com. Teredo is an Internet standard that is used to supply an IPv6 address to a PC that speaks only IPv4, making it easier to perform secure and reliable communication between two endpoints without having to worry about network translation. It's also well documented and doesn't involve any exchange of information other than IP addresses.
In short, Windows keeps trying to make a simple connection using its IPv6 capabilities, but the router keeps dropping those connection attempts. So it keeps trying again and again.
I am not going to argue about the evaluation of the network logs, but the explanation does leave something to be desired.

Tunneling one protocol in to another, IPv6 to IPv4, is not really a secure way for endpoint host to communicate with each other. To begin with the IPv6 server, or relay, can easily eavesdrop on the communication since it knows both versions of the IPs in question and the connection details. Even within one's own network, caution should be used with tunneling during the initial overlap period during the roll-out of IPv6. Much less utilizing a third-party Teredo server somewhere out on the web...

The other aspect of the tunneling is malware. There are number of malware packages that provide easy integration with the IPv6 tunneling that can up/download data from/to the host without being detected as such. And yes, some of the vulnerabilities in IPv6 allows the malware integration with the Teredo tunneling.

As for Windows 10 being chatty? Eh, of course it is....

Windows 8.x was more chattier than Windows 7 even prior to receiving Windows 10 style updates. Once these "important" updates had been received, there isn't much difference between Windows 10 and the two previous versions of Windows, as far as being chatty is concerned. Maybe not Windows 7, but my Windows 8.1 just as chatty as Windows 10...

PS: I don't like it, but it is what it is until I have Windows...
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12 Feb 2016   #24
FerchogtX

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3
 
 

Well, there is something that is getting me a bit more calm about this...

-Seems telemetry is just about driver/hardware combinations in a windows system
-They want to release a tool to remove that crap (well, they at least say so... let's see)

The bad things:
- Only for enterprise, you have a choice, again I'm a stupid lamb with no choice for them...
- No tool or update for Windows Updates too, so we are still forced to install bad coded updates and hope your system doesn't freak out.

Was that hard to M$ to explain detailed information about what was collected?, even Firefox uses telemetry, but they explain why the hell and what for... Also, for the people commnting on those articles about why not complaining against others like Apple or Google: a) Apple has an opt out for geolocalization, turn it off, you are OK, b) Google has account management that allows you to disable search history, even for Youtube, Geolocalization, customized serches... is just matter of taking a look into your account settings, I did, I disabled everything except Youtube's search/playback history, I find that one useful, and harmless.

The problem is when someone says is tracking your activity, but keeps in secret what data is collecting and what for... M$ did this with idiotic technisisms and paraphernalia, that's why all this happened. Transparency, anyone?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
There would be fewer (if any) BSOD caused by patches if MS restricted hardware and software like Apple does... then it would be so much easier to issue patches 12 to 18 months after security flaws are in the wild.
Windows 98 SE had plenty of updates just like Windows 2000, and I NEVER had any problem, nor I heard of a system bricked by an update, you could blindly install any updates, and your system worked pretty much fast and realiable. Since 2012 (more or less), M$ has this tendency to release flawled patches... and don't forget when IE10 came up along with a new plattform update that bricked many laptops because the one in charge forgot that there are systems with DUAL GPU's (AMD + Intel or nVidia + Intel, and so on)... I mean, c'mon, M$ is big enough, don't tell me they don't know about the latest hardware available for the customers? Why all this beta/alpha paraphernalia everytime they release an OS? Don't they do this for patches too? They did it before, this is just lazyness.

One thing is to get an involuntary bug because humans can make mistakes, another one is to be as lazy as possible, forget about something is known by many people, and release a patch that bricks your system. That's why you hire a competent crew and not novices.

Not to be rude towards your post, I understand your point, I just wanted to expose my feelings about how M$ does things nowadays...
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