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Windows 7: U.S. Department of Defense to upgrade 4 million devices to Windows 10

19 Feb 2016   #41
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Yeah, German is difficult. The grammar is a dog. But pronunciation is easy. Just a few rules and very few exceptions.


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19 Feb 2016   #42
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

I thought that learning German was not that difficult for people with English as a first language. I also thought the Scandinavian languages would be more difficult for an English speaking adult to grasp. Well this says my preconceptions maybe wrong.
Language Difficulty Ranking | Effective Language Learning

I thought Danish was a difficult language to learn. Wrong again apparently.

But look at categories IV and particularly V. People in these categories are the majority of the world's population.
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20 Feb 2016   #43
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Interresting lists and VERY interesting thread. I learn a lot here. Being Dutch I speak 4 languages fluent. But that's because I have lived in England and France and now 4 years in Tirol Austria. It's a good way to broaden the mind and understand different points of view . I am a good listener have no TV and read books made out of dead trees but buy them always 2 de hand.
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20 Feb 2016   #44
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
You got to understand "Kari" is a very very pro Win 10 die hard and defends everything regarding Win 10 from what i have seen .

Posts on the Win ten forums show this . Not criticizing just stating the obvious .
I don't "die hard defend" everything regarding Windows 10. That simply is not true. Of course you might get that impression selectively reading my posts, only choosing those I have posted in threads similar to this, threads where any positive news about Windows 10 will immediately be distorted and twisted by the haters army.

If you would read my other posts, too, you'd notice that I have nothing against seriously discuss about issues in Windows 10, especially in the Insider Preview builds. I am a Windows Insider installing new builds as soon as they will be released, to be part of the community. I report issues I find, post about them on the forums and actively participate the discussions.

Windows 10 is the best operating system MS has ever made. It's my personal subjective opinion, but not only that. Vast majority of for instance Ten Forums members share this opinion, a fact you will not see if you selectively read only the threads where already the thread title tells that it will be an anti-10 thread.

I have always openly admitted I am a Windows 10 fan boy . I am not sure if this basic attitude of mine has anything to do with it but my highly personalized Windows 10 machines behave flawlessly, are fast and reliable. You don't see me posting "Windows is not working" when I am unable to find or understand a new feature; instead I go to the forums and Interwebs in general to find documentation about it and learn to use it.

Most of the objection and hate talk is clearly motivated by "status quo over change", objecting change, ignorance and paranoia.

As I said I am not sure how much this attitude means when using Windows 10, but a positive attitude for sure makes the whole experience easier and brings less issues. If the starting point is "I hate this. I know I have not used and tested it extensively enough but I don't want to do it because I hate it", we all know how it ends.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
I couldn't disagree more with the comment "where ever you look the comments regarding Win 10 around the web are overwhelmingly positive regarding stability and function" , everything i see is issues , issues and more issues.
As I mentioned above, read more. The general reception of Windows 10 has been and is mostly positive.

Of course there are issues but the fact that these issues will be posted as users seek assistance in resolving them does not mean the general opinion would be negative. If that would be true then we had to admit that Windows 7 was and is a total failure; alone here at our Seven Forums, 370,000 members have posted over 3 million posts in about 300,000 threads. Take away the News and Chillout sections, it still leaves over 2.5 million posts mostly about Windows 7 issues.

Of course we know this is not true, Windows 7 is for me the second best OS I have ever used and for quite a many users the best, but doing some selective reading we could read Windows 7 news, about its issues and so on in the same way the haters are now reading about Windows 10: only issues, unhappy users and so on.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
Kari also said all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience , most don't believe that at all and it can't be proved either way .
We really should get a new "Selective Reader" badge for some members here, to indicate that the badge holding member only reads what supports his theories and if nothing found, distorts the words of other members to make them better suit his purposes.

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience". I have repeatedly said that I install Windows 10 using its default settings and allow my Windows 10 machines to call home when and as often as they want to or need to, because for the first we are talking only about so small amounts of data that it has none whatsoever effect in my bandwidth usage, and for the second because as MS has told us (I have no reasons not to believe MS), most of the data collected is about my ways to use Windows and its features, to improve Windows and my Windows user experience.

Kari
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20 Feb 2016   #45
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
You got to understand "Kari" is a very very pro Win 10 die hard and defends everything regarding Win 10 from what i have seen .

Posts on the Win ten forums show this . Not criticizing just stating the obvious .
I don't "die hard defend" everything regarding Windows 10. That simply is not true. Of course you might get that impression selectively reading my posts, only choosing those I have posted in threads similar to this, threads where any positive news about Windows 10 will immediately be distorted and twisted by the haters army.

If you would read my other posts, too, you'd notice that I have nothing against seriously discuss about issues in Windows 10, especially in the Insider Preview builds. I am a Windows Insider installing new builds as soon as they will be released, to be part of the community. I report issues I find, post about them on the forums and actively participate the discussions.

Windows 10 is the best operating system MS has ever made. It's my personal subjective opinion, but not only that. Vast majority of for instance Ten Forums members share this opinion, a fact you will not see if you selectively read only the threads where already the thread title tells that it will be an anti-10 thread.

I have always openly admitted I am a Windows 10 fan boy . I am not sure if this basic attitude of mine has anything to do with it but my highly personalized Windows 10 machines behave flawlessly, are fast and reliable. You don't see me posting "Windows is not working" when I am unable to find or understand a new feature; instead I go to the forums and Interwebs in general to find documentation about it and learn to use it.

Most of the objection and hate talk is clearly motivated by "status quo over change", objecting change, ignorance and paranoia.

As I said I am not sure how much this attitude means when using Windows 10, but a positive attitude for sure makes the whole experience easier and brings less issues. If the starting point is "I hate this. I know I have not used and tested it extensively enough but I don't want to do it because I hate it", we all know how it ends.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
I couldn't disagree more with the comment "where ever you look the comments regarding Win 10 around the web are overwhelmingly positive regarding stability and function" , everything i see is issues , issues and more issues.
As I mentioned above, read more. The general reception of Windows 10 has been and is mostly positive.

Of course there are issues but the fact that these issues will be posted as users seek assistance in resolving them does not mean the general opinion would be negative. If that would be true then we had to admit that Windows 7 was and is a total failure; alone here at our Seven Forums, 370,000 members have posted over 3 million posts in about 300,000 threads. Take away the News and Chillout sections, it still leaves over 2.5 million posts mostly about Windows 7 issues.

Of course we know this is not true, Windows 7 is for me the second best OS I have ever used and for quite a many users the best, but doing some selective reading we could read Windows 7 news, about its issues and so on in the same way the haters are now reading about Windows 10: only issues, unhappy users and so on.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyhillow View Post
Kari also said all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience , most don't believe that at all and it can't be proved either way .
We really should get a new "Selective Reader" badge for some members here, to indicate that the badge holding member only reads what supports his theories and if nothing found, distorts the words of other members to make them better suit his purposes.

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience". I have repeatedly said that I install Windows 10 using its default settings and allow my Windows 10 machines to call home when and as often as they want to or need to, because for the first we are talking only about so small amounts of data that it has none whatsoever effect in my bandwidth usage, and for the second because as MS has told us (I have no reasons not to believe MS), most of the data collected is about my ways to use Windows and its features, to improve Windows and my Windows user experience.

Kari

If you think i am going to search out every single post you have ever written it's not going to happen and it's not needed at all .

I read threads that appeal to me from the beginning and every post i have read by you has been over the top very pro Win 10 but thats understood , your admit that you are a Win 10 fanboi , at least your honest .

You think Win 10 is the best operating system MS has ever made so of course your going to be over the top positive and shun any criticism that is said about it .

Just a few pages back you said the "phoning home" is strictly about improving Win 10 for the user , many people don't believe that for a minute and like i said it can't be proved at this point .

If you can remember where you were negative about Win 10 please feel free to post it because i would like to see it , i have never run across any .

Thanks for your comments
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20 Feb 2016   #46
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

@jonnyhillow Please do not use text size to highlight selective parts of text - especially when this is used to support your own opinion by by highlighting a statement that follows "I have never said"... thus suggesting the opposite of the facts

This ...

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience".

is not the same as ...

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience".

I have removed this misleading use of text size, if I see it again more severe sanctions will follow
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20 Feb 2016   #47
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

By the way, on the related matter of privacy and since the use of e-mail cropped up, there are certainly instances where you shouldn't use e-mail at all.

A few days ago, it was brought to the public's attention that a British couple had lost a huge sum of money in the process of completing a real estate transaction. The e-mails they exchanged with their attorney (or somesuch intermediary) had been intercepted by crooks, who replied with fake e-mails where they inserted their own bank account's details -- and whoop ! the money was gone.

Now if you only mail your grandmother to wish her well this might not concern you.

Another individual who's quite aware of the perils of using e-mail at all right now is Hillary Clinton. She used a private server in her bathroom to send state secrets by e-mail, and reliable intelligence experts say that of course, Russian and Chinese snoops, by now, have them "safely" stored on their own hard disks.

We lesser mortals don't handle state secrets (usually), but the above story shows that you don't need to in order to suffer considerable prejudice for neglecting to protect your privacy. Encrypted e-mail is possible, but unless you're a state organisation, it's highly complex and unwieldy.
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20 Feb 2016   #48
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Email is as safe as any other electronic communication system and when used appropriately is not a security issue - you would not send important information in the post without taking precautions against loss, the same applies to email. unfortunately a lot of individuals and governments do not have enough technological knowledge to ensure any real level of security
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20 Feb 2016   #49
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

A fascinating thread, in many ways.

Kari, thanks for detailing your own experiences with W10. Can I ask please what the nature of your usage is, for example are you using the computer more as a glorified word processor as opposed say to a high-end gaming rig? I ask because it seems to me that the reason different users' "mileage may vary" is likely to be because the nature of their usage varies, so to get a feel for which users' experiences are more likely to be closer to one's own it's necessary to know where they're coming from.

Also, it seems to me that the real time to judge W10 will be after the free year is up and MS make it clear what their intended charging system is going to be. There's lots of speculation about licensing, paying for updates, paying for the box etc, and it's difficult to see in advance how well that will go down. For example, Kari, if your bank account was automatically debited under a licensing system every time Cortana gave you a reminder would you still be so keen to use it? I give that purely as an hypothetical example but I'm sure we can all agree that W10 isn't going to remain free to everyone for ever. One way or another MS will be getting us to pay.

My own view is that while MS can talk about having launched W10 last year it won't really be launched properly until they start charging for it, meanwhile they're trying every trick in the book to hook as many customers as they can during what is really only an extended beta. I see no particular reason to upgrade from W7 for the time being, and certainly wouldn't intend to do so until I know the future cost implications. It simply doesn't offer me any advantages at the present time, and the forced updating is a real turn-off for me. My usage is likely to be different to many, however, I use my two unconnected home computers for a combination of gaming and routine emails including reading of documents relating to my voluntary work, being retired from paid work. I don't do online banking, but of course there's also Mrs Seffrid's online shopping !

As I began by saying, it's a fascinating discussion and one that I'm sure will continue to evolve over the coming months!
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20 Feb 2016   #50
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
@jonnyhillow Please do not use text size to highlight selective parts of text - especially when this is used to support your own opinion by by highlighting a statement that follows "I have never said"... thus suggesting the opposite of the facts

This ...

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience".

is not the same as ...

I have never said that "all the phoning home is about improvement of the system and overall experience".

I have removed this misleading use of text size, if I see it again more severe sanctions will follow

I have no idea what you mean by this , since i joined years ago i have used the enlarged text feature in nearly every one of my posts .

Are you are saying enlarged text cannot be used from now on , if this is in the rules of the forum my apologies but i never saw it .


OK , i see how you butchered my comments and removed my highlighted text that WAS VERY IMPORTANT for people to understand exactly what i was responding to instead of reading the very long post i was responding to from Kari .

Hey, your the mod but i think your DEAD WRONG and am shocked that a Mod would remove all that , it's outrageous actually .

You won't have to worry about me anymore because i won't be back .

Take care everybody , thanks for all your help over the years .
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