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Windows 7: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience

27 Feb 2016   #21
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

A basic system OS SSD needs to be no greater than 120/128 GB and these are really quite low cost now. For me the performance speed improvement is significant compared to spinners (HDDs). For mass storage I'm sticking with HDDs at the moment.

By keeping updated system images if the SSD on one of my PCs dies then I get a new one, reimage and I'm back in business. BTW I have one Crucial and Samsungs.


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27 Feb 2016   #22
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

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Jack, we are the two clueless in this thread, LOL.
If you two are clueless, I'm beyond hope.

All seriousness aside, one thing that caught my attention was the comment about uber failure. Big deal, it's well known that, when SSDs fail, they usually completely fail with no hope of recovering data like you sometimes can do with HDDs. So what? No one should ever count on recovering data from a failed HDD or SSD; at best, it's a crap shoot that can cost a small fortune. That's why it's imperative to always backup data.
Depending on the nature of the failure data recovery may be possible but tends to be substantially more expensive than for conventional drives. This is due primarily to the nature of the technology and not lack of familiarity by recovery technicians so costs are likely to remain high. In the future it is likely to be even more difficult or impossible. Important data must have backups.
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27 Feb 2016   #23
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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The old BIOS trick. You just have to make sure that there is no activity on the SSD. When in BIOS state you need not disconnect any cables. Then the garbage collection can do it's job. But 6 to 8 hours seems exaggerated.
It didn't work for the Linux install
Thing is it was in the second bay of my hot swap and it does have power and no sata connected
It was like that when I was primarily using win-7 so ultimately it was Linux black listing the trim process that was the problem and I guess the ssd just died and linux death

I'll get another one I guess Tuesday or Wednesday so UPS says and I'll see if it's a new or refurbished and yes that is the terms of the RMA they "Crucial" can send a refurbished unit
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27 Feb 2016   #24
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Jack, we are the two clueless in this thread, LOL.
If you two are clueless, I'm beyond hope.

All seriousness aside, one thing that caught my attention was the comment about uber failure. Big deal, it's well known that, when SSDs fail, they usually completely fail with no hope of recovering data like you sometimes can do with HDDs. So what? No one should ever count on recovering data from a failed HDD or SSD; at best, it's a crap shoot that can cost a small fortune. That's why it's imperative to always backup data.
Depending on the nature of the failure data recovery may be possible but tends to be substantially more expensive than for conventional drives. This is due primarily to the nature of the technology and not lack of familiarity by recovery technicians so costs are likely to remain high. In the future it is likely to be even more difficult or impossible. Important data must have backups.
Prexactly! Backups are so much less expensive and much more reliable than data recovery.
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27 Feb 2016   #25
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Jack, we are the two clueless in this thread, LOL.
If you two are clueless, I'm beyond hope.

All seriousness aside, one thing that caught my attention was the comment about uber failure. Big deal, it's well known that, when SSDs fail, they usually completely fail with no hope of recovering data like you sometimes can do with HDDs. So what? No one should ever count on recovering data from a failed HDD or SSD; at best, it's a crap shoot that can cost a small fortune. That's why it's imperative to always backup data.
The problem here is the average user who does not back up there data. Either because they don't know how, don't have time, don't care.

Besides the last part, it is a concern. But we have all known for awhile that if an ssd dies your data always go with it. No chance of recovery. Average user doesn't. They don't even know what an ssd is.
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27 Feb 2016   #26
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

People that do not backup their data cannot be helped. I have absolutely no mercy with those guys. If they lose their data, so be it.
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27 Feb 2016   #27
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

If the average user doesn't take the time to learn a few things like backup their system it's because they didn't want to learn. Their are thousands of sites that explain how to do such things and why.

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The problem here is the average user who does not back up there data. Either because they don't know how, don't have time, don't care.
Other than a boat load of tutorials the forum has and thousands of post on the subject how do we help such people?
Those that don't know have to do a little homework. They probable don't have any problems figuring out how to use all those little app's and buttons on their cell phone.
Those that don't have time, oooh well. Spend less time on Facebook and you will have time.
Those that don't care will have to spend some time and/or money getting a Clean Install.
We can only help those that want help.
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27 Feb 2016   #28
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

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People that do not backup their data cannot be helped. I have absolutely no mercy with those guys. If they lose their data, so be it.
And the thing that amazes me is Windows makes it so simple to do this, yet people still don't take advantage of that. It has built in tools to make a system image. I make them on a regular basis & rest easier knowing if something particularly nasty gets on the OS, I have my data backed up. In this day & age of Ransomware, it's a really, really good idea to have your data in a secure place.
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27 Feb 2016   #29
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

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27 Feb 2016   #30
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The problem we have here is that a computer is now a consumer product not something that only Geeks and professionals use. The general public who make up the vast majority of computer users do not know the technical side of computers and they dont want to learn.

They don't have to learn to back up the TV or the washing machine.

When they used or Use a computer in work they arrive at work, Maybe have to throw a switch, and get on with their work for the day, if something goes wrong, they call someone who fixes it,

They mostly do this at home, but having paid the extortionate prices charged by professionals, (like Me), some decide to use what knowledge they have to search for help on the Interwebs and the arrive here.

In order to help them we have to first understand their knowledge level, we are not judging their intelligence as I'm certain a lot of them are very intelligent. but they may have some or no computer knowledge

We should make sure that we solve their issues, there is no need to bother with why they want to do something or what they did not know that caused there issue.

Explaining why they should do whatever it is to solve the issue is a good idea, What we should not do is discuss amongst ourselves in the thread where the User with the problem is waiting for help or make derisary comments against either the poster or other longer term members, there are VM, PM, and special thread systems in place to discuss which is the best method to solve an issue.

In many occasions this type of thing just drives the new member away, which is not good for them or the forum
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