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Windows 7: It's time for Microsoft to fix the Windows 7 update slowdowns

10 Jun 2016   #171
alphanumeric

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

I don't see them extending it? Just my opinion. No real benefit to doing it from what I can see. If you haven't taken them up on the offer by then, you never will. Plus the odds of somebody coming into possession of a PC still running Windows 7 or 8, and wanting to upgrade it to 10 will be low. The bean counters will be pushing for them to start charging for it. It won't be long and 10 will be all you can easily buy if your buying it for a you built it PC. 7 is almost impossible to buy from a retailer, and 8/8.1 isn't far behind.

From my personal testing, Windows 7 users have it easy compared to Windows 8 users as far as the Get Windows 10 prompts go. I hadn't even logged in for the first time on a clean install of Windows 8.1 before being prompted to upgrade to Windows 10. And they were relentless after that. It was almost impossible to run Windows update without tripping over the upgrade. On a clean install of Windows 7 I didn't see anything until I manually launched the GWX App. Even then, all I did was wait for the new screen, with the actual decline option on it to show up. Clicked that, declined the offer, and haven't see a thing since. It may be easier to just let the latest GWX App actually install, and decline the offer. Than to continually try and block it from installing in the first place. I'm just going to leave my Windows 7 install running and have a look see every so often to see if it prompts again. It's been days with no nag screens so far.


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10 Jun 2016   #172
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Yep I loaded win-8 pro not too long ago
Updating it was fun
Once I did get it updated and I had my update setting same as I do on win-7 = let me choose....
Downloading 8.1 from the store M$ was kind enough to change my update setting for me to auto and yes that gave me the sweet GWX icon

Had I not been going that route I would of been a tad annoyed
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11 Jun 2016   #173
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Regarding the end of the free trial, while I don't foresee myself using it, I'll probably do the "upgrade" while it is still free. Then I'll make an image of the W10 system and immediately restore my W7 image. This is only to cover myself against the day when I might HAVE to go to W10 for some reason. As much as that would gall me, having to pay for it would tic me off even worse.
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11 Jun 2016   #174
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post
I'll probably do the "upgrade" while it is still free. Then I'll make an image of the W10 system and immediately restore my W7 image. This is only to cover myself against the day when I might HAVE to go to W10 for some reason.
Prof:

How confident are you that you can do what you describe and have no licensing issues, either immediately or years down the road when you might upgrade hardware?

If you are confident, can you point me to the sources of your confidence? Links, MS documents, etc.

I'm contemplating the same thing, but can't get a clearcut unequivocal answer as to whether or not the restored Win 7 image would be free from licensing issues indefinitely or that the Win 10 image would have no issues if it were to be restored in, say, 2019--on your current hardware or on new hardware.

I get lots of opinions, but few if any based on actual experience--mostly because we are still relatively early in the Windows 10 lifecycle and have to speculate about what Microsoft might do next month or next year.

I'm even thinking about using 2 separate SSDs, but only one at a time. No imaging involved. Just a clean 7 install on one and a clean 10 install on the other. Both activated. One PC. Only 1 of the 2 drives in the PC at any one time.
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11 Jun 2016   #175
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
How confident are you that you can do what you describe and have no licensing issues, either immediately or years down the road when you might upgrade hardware?

If you are confident, can you point me to the sources of your confidence? Links, MS documents, etc.
Given the stunts that MS has pulled thus far, not extremely confident by any means. I'm going mostly on the idea that they are currently offering the 30-Day rollback so there must be some procedure to not wreck your old W7 license as soon as you upgrade.

Your comment about new hardware causing trouble down the road is a good one. In the past, I have praised MS for being lenient with home users when you have to call them for reactivation after a motherboard dies or something like that. After what we've seen over the past year I am not very optimistic that they will be so understanding in the future.

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I'm even thinking about using 2 separate SSDs, but only one at a time. No imaging involved. Just a clean 7 install on one and a clean 10 install on the other. Both activated. One PC. Only 1 of the 2 drives in the PC at any one time.
I actually do something similar on my spare computer. (W7 Pro on one drive and Server 2008 on another.) My question would be how to get the free "upgrade" if you are installing to a blank drive.

My two aces in the hole are that I

1) Have an extra W7 Pro license left from my college days
2) Would never pay for W10 after all this nonsense and would just force myself to go Linux full-time. My spare computer actually has a pop-out 2.5" drive bay and in addition to W7 Pro and Server 2008 I also have a third drive with Linux Mint. If I had my paid-for copy of W7 deactivated by some shenanigans and then was expected to cough up $100-200 for W10 that would be all the impetus I need.
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11 Jun 2016   #176
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

As of yet I have also not been able to find a exact statement from Microsoft but this is what I understand.

It will depend whether Microsoft locks the Windows 7 COA key to the Windows 7 install or it locks the COA key to the W-10 install after 30 days.

When one downloads a operating system has little to do with anything. When one activates the downloaded operating system and what COA key is used to activate it is the important thing.

Example:
If on downloads and activates W-10 using the Windows 7 COA key (Upgrade), one can use the Windows 7 COA key for 30 days. Kind of like a trial period. After 30 days the once Windows 7 COA key is locked to the W-10 operating system and can not be used on the Windows 7 install again.
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11 Jun 2016   #177
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post

My question would be how to get the free "upgrade" if you are installing to a blank drive.
My understanding is that anyone can do a clean Win 10 install to a blank drive via a downloaded ISO from Microsoft and activate it with a Win 7 Product Key. As opposed to doing an upgrade install via Windows Update. Of course, what happens over the medium to long term after that is another question.

Or do I misunderstand you?
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11 Jun 2016   #178
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post

My question would be how to get the free "upgrade" if you are installing to a blank drive.
My understanding is that anyone can do a clean Win 10 install to a blank drive via a downloaded ISO from Microsoft and activate it with a Win 7 Product Key. As opposed to doing an upgrade install via Windows Update. Of course, what happens over the medium to long term after that is another question.

Or do I misunderstand you?
No, I didn't know you could do that. It does raise the question of what happens with your W7 license, as Layback pointed out.
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11 Jun 2016   #179
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

The upgrade using the Windows 7 COA key is free for 30 days.
If one keeps the W-10 free upgrade 31 days or longer it will suck up your Windows 7 COA key and make it a W-10 key. It will no longer work on the Windows 7 system weather it a upgrade or a clean install of W-10.
After 30 days; one COA key per operating system will be what happens.
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11 Jun 2016   #180
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
If one keeps the W-10 free upgrade 31 days or longer it will suck up your Windows 7 COA key and make it a W-10 key. It will no longer work on the Windows 7 system weather it a upgrade or a clean install of W-10.
Do you think that AFTER 30 days on Windows 10--say a year later, that a restoration of an activated Windows 7 image "will no longer work"?

Can you point to any documentation for your opinion?

I've seen allegations that imaging is "technically" violation of the EULA terms.
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