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Windows 7: It's time for Microsoft to fix the Windows 7 update slowdowns

12 Jun 2016   #191
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
So...If I'm reading this right, you can make an image, clone or what ever you want to call it of the upgrade to 10 then revert back to 7.
Now lets say 5years down the road you want to put that image of 10 back onto that machine, it would be illegal if you made any hardware changes to that machine in the intervening 5years.

I would believe that as long as you don't make any major hardware changes to a machine, you can upgrade/downgrade to infinity. If you do make changes make sure you save and store those changes.
Anak:

Unfortunately, that's only Bott's opinion and, as he says, Microsoft has refrained from being definitive on the nuances.

MS has also supposedly said that RETAIL Win 7 licenses effectively become RETAIL 10 licenses when upgraded and would therefore NOT be "illegal" in the case of future hardware changes.

I said "supposedly". By that I mean again that MS has not been consistent and definitive on the nuances. All we get is opinion, assumption, and conjecture.


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12 Jun 2016   #192
alphanumeric

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

I think you'll find that its like it is now. You can pretty well swap anything you want except the motherboard. A CPU swap may trigger it, but it shouldn't be a big deal to reactivate by phone if that happens. Changing several items at the same time may trigger a reactivate prompt too, but same deal, just do a phone activation. I've swapped video cards etc on an OEM system builder Windows 7 desktop PC with no prompt to reactivate. CPU too with no issues.

Once you have your digital entitlement there is no need to make an image, other than for convince. You could just do a clean install latter on down the road and activate with the digital entitlement.
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12 Jun 2016   #193
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

I've decided I'm not going to even risk it. All my Windows 7 licences are Retail so I could effectively upgrade them all and have a few Retail 10 licences.
However, I've seen no clear proof that you get a "like for like RETAIL upgrade", I can't find anything official on this. And I'm not prepared to give up any retail licences, especially when I don't have any intention of upgrading yet. While this is probably not the case and you should be able to go back to your old licence without issues, MS hasn't filled me with much confidence on this lately.

While I have no proof of this, I suspect this "Digital Entitlement" may only be tied to the hardware it's Activated on. I just can't see MS giving away loads of free upgrades and letting you transfer them to whatever you want. I do hope I'm wrong though.

If I do decide to upgrade in future. I'll just go out and buy a boxed retail version. Less hassle and I can do what I want with it then. I won't be putting 10 on any of my older systems so it's pointless me claiming a free upgrade on those anyway.
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12 Jun 2016   #194
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Even buying from M$ win-10 there is no telling if that would be transferable either.
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12 Jun 2016   #195
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

MS are still selling Retail boxed products though, so they should be transferable without issue. Unless they've changed the EULA for 10. That wouldn't surprise me either with their latest stunts.
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12 Jun 2016   #196
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Stopping it sure would kill piracy
Lifetime of the device is all I keep hearing.
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12 Jun 2016   #197
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Stopping it sure would kill piracy
Lifetime of the device is all I keep hearing.
True, but I think the lifetime of the device just applies to the free upgrade. That's why I have doubts that even on a Retail upgrade it'll be transferable.
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12 Jun 2016   #198
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

I'll believe it when I read it from M$
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12 Jun 2016   #199
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
So...If I'm reading this right, you can make an image, clone or what ever you want to call it of the upgrade to 10 then revert back to 7.
Now lets say 5years down the road you want to put that image of 10 back onto that machine, it would be illegal if you made any hardware changes to that machine in the intervening 5years.

I would believe that as long as you don't make any major hardware changes to a machine, you can upgrade/downgrade to infinity. If you do make changes make sure you save and store those changes.
Anak:

Unfortunately, that's only Bott's opinion and, as he says, Microsoft has refrained from being definitive on the nuances.

MS has also supposedly said that RETAIL Win 7 licenses effectively become RETAIL 10 licenses when upgraded and would therefore NOT be "illegal" in the case of future hardware changes.

I said "supposedly". By that I mean again that MS has not been consistent and definitive on the nuances. All we get is opinion, assumption, and conjecture.
Which is but one reason I can no longer trust MS.
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12 Jun 2016   #200
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
I'll believe it when I read it from M$
I wouldn't believe it even then.
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