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Windows 7: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

20 May 2016   #121
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
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It'll work one day and then borked again another day. Sometimes it's quick (not often), sometimes it does nothing for hours. Again, hit and miss and pot luck as to how it's going to act.
~~~
I see this too... very hit and miss.
I have a VM searching right now and it has been much longer than my experiment a few weeks ago - when I got the long list of updated within 10 to 15 minutes. I was able to repeat that 3 times using 3 different WU clients.

If I decide to post something to try, it usually includes:
update WUC while not connected to the Internet
connect to the Internet
let WU search 24+ hours
If it fails to find a list of updates by then - reset WU per the tut.


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20 May 2016   #122
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yea my usual suggestion is to have net 4.5.2 installed if it's not.

Ultimately I would also just use Brink's option 3 to reset the updates system services.....
And let the buzzard run
That so far has fixed my acer.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Didn't seem to make any difference. It was still glacial.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
~~~
It'll work one day and then borked again another day. Sometimes it's quick (not often), sometimes it does nothing for hours. Again, hit and miss and pot luck as to how it's going to act.
~~~
I see this too... very hit and miss.
I have a VM searching right now and it has been much longer than my experiment a few weeks ago - when I got the long list of updated within 10 to 15 minutes. I was able to repeat that 3 times using 3 different WU clients.

If I decide to post something to try, it usually includes:
update WUC while not connected to the Internet
connect to the Internet
let WU search 24+ hours
If it fails to find a list of updates by then - reset WU per the tut.
This is why I've switched to manual updating on my main system UNI. It's 10-15 minutes of manual updating a month vs a guessing game of minutes or hours... who knows?

I know which method I prefer right now.
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20 May 2016   #123
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
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Still how many updates (out of the total number of W7 updates) does this pack have?
~~~
The post/link that you quoted from kerodo claims to lists each update in the roll up. It seems to be the same info on the MUC website. I would not go so far as to say that the list of updates that the roll up replaces is the same as the list of updates that the roll up contains. The roll up might contain an update that replaces several other updates.

The MUC website shows this:

Attachment 386925

Code:
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2574819) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2603229) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2607047) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2607576) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2633952) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2639308) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2640148) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2647753) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2660075) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2661254) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2677070) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2679255) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2699779) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2709630) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2709981) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2719857) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2726535) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2731771) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2732059) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2732487) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2732500) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2735855) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2739159) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2741355) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2749655) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2756822) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2760730) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2762895) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2763523) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2773072) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2779562) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2786081) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2786400) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2791765) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2794119) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2798162) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2799926) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2800095) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2808679) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2813956) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2829104) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2830477) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2834140) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2835174) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2836502) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2843630) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2846960) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2846960) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2847077) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2852386) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2853952) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2863058) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2868116) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2882822) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2888049) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2890882) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2891804) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2893519) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2904266) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2905454) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2908783) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2913152) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2913431) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2913751) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2918077) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2919469) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2922717) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2923398) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2923545) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2928562) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2929733) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2929755) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2966583) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2970228) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2973337) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2977728) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2978092) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2980245) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2981580) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2985461) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2994023) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2998527) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB2999226) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3000988) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3001554) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3004394) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3005788) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3006121) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3006137) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3006625) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3008627) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3009736) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3013410) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3013531) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3014406) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3020338) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3020370) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3040272) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3045645) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3048761) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3049874) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3054476) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3065979) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3068708) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3075249) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3077715) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3078667) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3080079) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3080149) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3081954) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3092627) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3095649) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3102429) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3107998) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3112148) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3118401) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3121255) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3133977) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3137061) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3138378) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3138901) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3147071) 
 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based  Systems (KB3148851)
Now this is puzzling. According to UNI's list from the MUC site, the convenience rollup DOES contain some on my skip list. However, after I installed the rollup those updates show up in Windows update ready to install.
Why would they show up again if already installed?

The main culprits on my skip list are:
KB3068708
Kb3075249
Kb3080149

In the VM I've tested, these do show up again in Windows update after installing the pack.

There is file info for KB3075249.
(shown on the right below)

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-kb3075249.png

This roll up seems to install a newer version of that KB too. Or maybe we cannot look at the files and tell what is going on. I certainly don't understand why those three KBs showed up for you after installing this roll up. I am attempting to replicate the issue, but WU has yet to return with a list of updates after installing this roll up. WU is searching... searching... searching...
:-(


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20 May 2016   #124
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

It never ends UNI! Mine is till searching

Anyway, on the VM I installed the rollup on, this is what I had left to install, be interesting to see if yours comes up with the same updates?

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-capture-04.png

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-capture-05.png

EDIT: My mistake, KB3075249 didn't come up after all. But the other two do show up.


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20 May 2016   #125
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yea my usual suggestion is to have net 4.5.2 installed if it's not.

Ultimately I would also just use Brink's option 3 to reset the updates system services.....
And let the buzzard run
That so far has fixed my acer.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Didn't seem to make any difference. It was still glacial.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
~~~
It'll work one day and then borked again another day. Sometimes it's quick (not often), sometimes it does nothing for hours. Again, hit and miss and pot luck as to how it's going to act.
~~~
I see this too... very hit and miss.
I have a VM searching right now and it has been much longer than my experiment a few weeks ago - when I got the long list of updated within 10 to 15 minutes. I was able to repeat that 3 times using 3 different WU clients.

If I decide to post something to try, it usually includes:
update WUC while not connected to the Internet
connect to the Internet
let WU search 24+ hours
If it fails to find a list of updates by then - reset WU per the tut.
This is why I've switched to manual updating on my main system UNI. It's 10-15 minutes of manual updating a month vs a guessing game of minutes or hours... who knows?

I know which method I prefer right now.
Fortunately, Windows Update is not a problem for me. I was issued a new laptop late last year and I'm letting SCCM handle Windows Update from servers inside the company's network. For the dozens of computers that I support outside of work, WU is set to automatically install updates [with registry settings to stop W10 from installing].

WU seems to be a problem for those that are watching the pot boil. I understand the desire to keep certain updates off of a computer, I just support too many computers to do that.
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20 May 2016   #126
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Anak thanks for your response. I'll switch to AShampoo if I have to but yesterday I ended up using an obsolete version of RT7Lite. Today am trying again with v2.6 which still works. It's usually used to slipstream a service pack but it also serves to do many other tasks plus it has that 'magic' burn option at the end, so am waiting currently to see if it works as planned. So far so good as they say, but slow.

Edit: Success. Anyone wanting the software - check the Tute on Slipstreaming: Slipstream Windows 7 SP1 into a Installation DVD or ISO File
Would the tutorial work with an dell oem_slp installation dvd? It is legit, dell sent me one with a drivers disk.

Quote:
You can only use a retail copy or student copy of a Windows 7 installation DVD, bootable USB flash drive, or ISO file to create a slipstream Windows 7 SP1 with.
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20 May 2016   #127
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Painter View Post
"...We are making this change shifting to rollup updates, to improve the reliability and quality of our updates."

How does rolling them up improve the reliability and quality of the updates?
I wondered about that statement too... but it seems that the files being installed are newer (better?) than the files in the updates being replaced.
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20 May 2016   #128
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

If you want to call a cpu or ram getting devoured as watching a pot boil than yes.
Especially when it is obviously hung up with no network or disk activity.
This usually renders dual core machines useless.
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20 May 2016   #129
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

So I downloaded the update, tried to install it, got as far as "Initializing," where it got hung-up for an hour, after which I cancelled. Let me know when Microsoft REALLY fixes this problem, for everyone. no, it's not my computer, it's Windows that is the problem. Maybe they should call the Ubuntu folks for some pointers on how to do updates?
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20 May 2016   #130
kkehoe

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
It never ends UNI! Mine is till searching

Anyway, on the VM I installed the rollup on, this is what I had left to install, be interesting to see if yours comes up with the same updates?

EDIT: My mistake, KB3075249 didn't come up after all. But the other two do show up.

I didn't check *every* update but my machine seems to need the same 30 and 34 updates after the roll up is installed.

Kevin
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