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Windows 7: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

20 May 2016   #131
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
If you want to call a cpu or ram getting devoured as watching a pot boil than yes.
Especially when it is obviously hung up with no network or disk activity.
This usually renders dual core machines useless.
I was referring to users that manually start the search process and periodically check the status of the search.

Most of the computers that I support are left on 24/7. I do not recall any of my users complaining about their computer slowing during the day. But it could be happening and they are not telling me. Most are not exactly power users.


I've watched Resource Monitor and Process Monitor during the high CPU and high RAM WU issue... and you are right, there is almost no hard drive activity. There is some. Not enough to light up the hard drive light, but some. The same is true for network activity. Wireshark shows very little activity for hours... not enough to show in Task Manager. I was hoping to see the WU process try different MS servers, but I could not make much sense out of the traffic that was flowing.


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20 May 2016   #132
johnny20

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

I upgraded from Vista to 7 using a manufacturer disk (not a clean install).

After that it found only 5 updates (including SP1). Latest update was the update client (ending in 320). After that it would search for updates for days and never stop.

So, with the help of fellow members here, I installed another client (the KB ending in 810). In just 10 minutes I had almost 200 updates ready to be installed.

I haven't yet installed them.

Should I install those 200 updates or just install this KB3125574?

A lot of the 200 updates are for Framework 3.5.1. My W7 installation came with Framework 4.5.2. What am I missing?
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20 May 2016   #133
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
If you want to call a cpu or ram getting devoured as watching a pot boil than yes.
Especially when it is obviously hung up with no network or disk activity.
This usually renders dual core machines useless.
I was referring to users that manually start the search process and periodically check the status of the search.

Most of the computers that I support are left on 24/7. I do not recall any of my users complaining about their computer slowing during the day. But it could be happening and they are not telling me. Most are not exactly power users.


I've watched Resource Monitor and Process Monitor during the high CPU and high RAM WU issue... and you are right, there is almost no hard drive activity. There is some. Not enough to light up the hard drive light, but some. The same is true for network activity. Wireshark shows very little activity for hours... not enough to show in Task Manager. I was hoping to see the WU process try different MS servers, but I could not make much sense out of the traffic that was flowing.
Okay don't know if it helps but here's what I see using something other than Wireshark.

List of URL's and ip addresses connected to during a manual WU check:

Note: Ignore the last entry - it's Zemana AM autoupdating as it does every 30 minutes.
Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-urls.jpg
Total time taken for WU check - 38 seconds.


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20 May 2016   #134
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post
I upgraded from Vista to 7 using a manufacturer disk (not a clean install).

After that it found only 5 updates (including SP1). Latest update was the update client (ending in 320). After that it would search for updates for days and never stop.

So, with the help of fellow members here, I installed another client (the KB ending in 810). In just 10 minutes I had almost 200 updates ready to be installed.

I haven't yet installed them.

Should I install those 200 updates or just install this KB3125574?

A lot of the 200 updates are for Framework 3.5.1. My W7 installation came with Framework 4.5.2. What am I missing?
EDIT: To be clear, did you install SP1 yet? If not what's written below is moot because SP1 is required to install the Rollup update along with KB3020369.

If you install the convienience rollup (I would in your position) first install KB3020369 (Servicing Stack update, prerequisite for rollup) and recommend installing KB2670838 (Platform Update, also a prerequisite for IE11) IE11, KB3138612 (Latest Update Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH
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20 May 2016   #135
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post

A lot of the 200 updates are for Framework 3.5.1. My W7 installation came with Framework 4.5.2. What am I missing?
Framework 3.5 is included into Windows 7 OS and should not be removed. Updates are needed for it.

Windows 7 comes with .NET Framework 3.5, 3.0 and 2.0 pre-installed.

When .NET Framework is included as part of the OS, it does not appear in Programs and Features.

Bottom line: If a program that you installed requires a particular version of .NET Framework then it's best to leave that version installed.
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20 May 2016   #136
johnny20

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post

A lot of the 200 updates are for Framework 3.5.1. My W7 installation came with Framework 4.5.2. What am I missing?
Framework 3.5 is included into Windows 7 OS and should not be removed. Updates are needed for it.

Windows 7 comes with .NET Framework 3.5, 3.0 and 2.0 pre-installed.

When .NET Framework is included as part of the OS, it does not appear in Programs and Features.
Bottom line: If a program that you installed requires a particular version of .NET Framework then it's best to leave that version installed.
Thank you
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20 May 2016   #137
johnny20

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post
I upgraded from Vista to 7 using a manufacturer disk (not a clean install).

After that it found only 5 updates (including SP1). Latest update was the update client (ending in 320). After that it would search for updates for days and never stop.

So, with the help of fellow members here, I installed another client (the KB ending in 810). In just 10 minutes I had almost 200 updates ready to be installed.

I haven't yet installed them.

Should I install those 200 updates or just install this KB3125574?

A lot of the 200 updates are for Framework 3.5.1. My W7 installation came with Framework 4.5.2. What am I missing?
EDIT: To be clear, did you install SP1 yet? If not what's written below is moot because SP1 is required to install the Rollup update along with KB3020369.
Yes, it was installed the day I upgraded.
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20 May 2016   #138
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post
I see, but shouldn't these be present in Program List in Control Panel? The only framework I can see there is 4.5.2 installed exactly the day I upgraded to Win7.
No that's not right. Here's what I see.
Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-programs-features.jpg
The above is correct and does not show all versions.

You can run this (free) utility to check installed versions.

ASoft .NET Version Detector


My results:

Code:
<32Bit>
2.0.50727.5485
  ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727
4.6.1076.0
  ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319

<64Bit>
2.0.50727.5485
  ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v2.0.50727
4.6.1076.0
  ->C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319

< Installed .NET Frameworks >
.NET FW 2.0 SP 2  (CLR:2.0)
.NET FW 3.0 SP 2  (CLR:2.0)
.NET FW 3.5 SP 1  (CLR:2.0)
.NET FW 4.6.1  (CLR:4.0)

< Installed Updates >
Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile 
 KB2468871 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile (KB2468871)
 KB2468871v2
 KB2478063
 KB2533523 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile (KB2533523)
 KB2544514
 KB2600211
 KB2600217 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile (KB2600217)
Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended 
 KB2468871 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2468871)
 KB2468871v2
 KB2478063
 KB2533523 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2533523)
 KB2544514
 KB2600211
 KB2600217 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2600217)
 KB2468871 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2468871)
 KB2468871v2
 KB2478063
 KB2533523 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2533523)
 KB2544514
 KB2600211
 KB2600217 Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Extended (KB2600217)
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 
 KB2729460
 KB2737083
 KB2742613
 KB2745582
 KB2748645
 KB2750147
 KB2756203
 KB2759112
 KB2783808
 KB2789648
 KB2794055
 KB2803754
 KB2804582
 KB2805221
 KB2805226
 KB2805290
 KB2822218
 KB2823493
 KB2828841
 KB2835622
 KB2858725
 KB2861193
 KB2861208
 KB2862063
 KB2872778
 KB2885201
 KB2889889
 KB2894849
 KB2894854
 KB2898864
 KB2898869
 KB2901118
 KB2901126
 KB2901983
 KB2908383
 KB2925382
 KB2931368
 KB2936388
 KB2937676
 KB2938782
 KB2954853
 KB2969355
 KB3006566
 KB3033093
 KB3045561
 KB3076093
 KB3086153
 KB3088517
 KB3102433
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 
 KB2898869 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2898869)
 KB2901126 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2901126)
 KB2931368 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2931368)
 KB2898869 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2898869)
 KB2901126 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2901126)
 KB2931368 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 (KB2931368)
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 
 KB3122661 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3122661)
 KB3127233 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3127233)
 KB3136000 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3136000)
 KB3136000v2 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3136000v2)
 KB3142037 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3142037)
 KB3143693 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB3143693)

< Installed Languages 3.0>
English - United States
< Installed Languages 3.5.x>
English - United States
< Installed Languages 4.x>
English - United States


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20 May 2016   #139
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnny20 View Post
...but shouldn't these be present in Program List in Control Panel? The only framework I can see there is 4.5.2 installed exactly the day I upgraded to Win7.
DotNet 3.5.1 is a core component of Windows 7, it is integrated in the system... 4.5.2 (or 4.6) is an installed component and hence listed in Program List in CP. You can find DNF 3.5.1 if you go to Control Panel>> Programs & Features>> Turn Window Features on or off, and as Callender mentioned you should keep it installed & updated IMHO.

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-dnf.jpg


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20 May 2016   #140
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
DotNet 3.5.1 is a core component of Windows 7, it is integrated in the system... 4.5.2 (or 4.6) is an installed component and hence listed in Program List in CP. You can find DNF 3.5.1 if you go to Control Panel>> Programs & Features>> Turn Window Features on or off:

Attachment 386965
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