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Windows 7: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

29 May 2016   #161
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Is there any reason to use this update if a person has a fully (current) updated system ?
To me it seems like it is for clean installs, or systems that are not up to date with Windows Updates.


Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), I will be doing a clean install in the not too distant future on a new machine.


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29 May 2016   #162
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torchwood View Post
Also look at this thread,
SFC corrupted
Convenience Rollup Breaks SFC

Roy
Windows 7 Hotfix repository - Page 1051

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-sfc-harmless.png

abbodi1406 @MDL Conclusion = Harmless. Live with it until M$ releases a fix YMMV


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29 May 2016   #163
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Is there any reason to use this update if a person has a fully (current) updated system ?
To me it seems like it is for clean installs, or systems that are not up to date with Windows Updates.
This roll up seems to contain a new version of the Windows Update Client that is not available via Windows Update. See this post: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

There might be other things in this roll up that you cannot get elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if several of the updates are newer versions of the KBs they replace. See this post: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

If that is true, it would answer the question asked in this post: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1
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29 May 2016   #164
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Is there any reason to use this update if a person has a fully (current) updated system ?
To me it seems like it is for clean installs, or systems that are not up to date with Windows Updates.
Look at my post 2 posts above yours. My Win 7 Pro x64 was up-to-date prior to install Convenience Rollup; of course I had several recent backup images to rollback the rollup just in case.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
Installing Rollup & running subsequent Disk Cleanup/Windows Update Cleanup reduced # of installed updates listed from 227 pre-rollup to 67 post rollup and reclaimed about 2.5-3gb of disk space on my Win 7 Pro x64 (No Office) "Live System".
Works for me.
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29 May 2016   #165
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post

To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH
The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.
Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.
Even if you disable all the tasks in task scheduler I don't think the telemetry gets fully disabled.
Since KB2952664 was introduced it installs an appraiser task/file/program whatever you want to call it and compatTel.
I found these were asking for Internet access through comodo on many occasions. I also had a lot more disk thrashing when that update was installed. After removal my disk went back to normal. So, I'm not convinced disabling CEIP and the tasks fully disables it.
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29 May 2016   #166
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) ...I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang...It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) ... And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install.

Hope that helps?
To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH
The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.
I still prefer to use a 3rd party update pack on a clean install which I've used for a few years now. I can pick and choose which updates I want to install/avoid. And since I have over 40 recommended updates which I skip, I prefer to use that option.
While this convenience pack is a welcome addition from MS, I still feel there are better options for clean installs.
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29 May 2016   #167
pdsnickles

Vista Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Urthboundmisfit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) ...I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang...It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) ... And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install.

Hope that helps?
To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH
brds and urthbound, thanks for the replies!
What is a "W10 telemetry KB"? Does that mean it is pushing Windows 10 on people and there is a risk you could install it "by accident" as so many have done?
If so, I, like lady, will avoid this "roll up".

Another question re updates. According to the Update service, I only have FOUR important updates left to go, now that I got it working by some miracle (albeit it super slow):
*I have 2 Net Framework 4.5.2 and 4.6.1
*I have cumulative security for IE9 and I have IE11
Questions:
1) Do I need to download/install both the .net frameworks or can I just hide 4.5.2 and install 4.6.1?
2) Similarly, do I need to do the security updates first on IE9 then also install IE11? OR can I just hide IE9 and skip ahead to IE11?

I then have 7 Optional updates left - 6 are Windows 7 Updates for 64bit systems and 1 Silverlight update.
What is your advice on these (attached jpgs of the 2 windows showing the kb#'s)?
Should I download/install all of the above? Or can I skip the earlier versions of Framework and IE?
Your opinions are respected, requested and appreciated!
Thanks!

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-important-updates.jpg

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1-optional-updates.jpg


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29 May 2016   #168
pdsnickles

Vista Premium 64bit
 
 

If this is against TOS please remove it but I am wondering what you guys think about this script to delete/block all W10 "stuff"?
Is there a down side to it? It seems to leave everything in tact as far as the Updater re other non-W10 telemetry updates.
voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510
But I'm certainly no expert and don't fully understand it! Which is why I'm asking here.
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29 May 2016   #169
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Since KB2952664 was introduced it installs an appraiser task/file/program whatever you want to call it and compatTel.
I went to the doctor last week and told him "It hurts when I do this" He told me "Don't do this"

Convenience Rollup doesn't install KB2952664 (or 3021917 or 3035583) Don't install & hide them.
I really don't see what the problem is, but maybe it's just me?
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29 May 2016   #170
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Nowhere in my reply did I say KB2952664 was installed with the convenience update. I was replying to the question on telemetry. Perhaps that was misinterpreted as I was quoting three posts.

The reason I don't install KB2952664 is because:

1) I have no intention of "upgrading to Windows 10" as the KB article states.
If I ever decide to upgrade (which isn't looking likely right now) then I'll be happy to provide them telemetry on the upgrade.

2) That update caused me issues.

I'm not fully "Anti-telemetry" if I feel it's necessary. I am, however, "Anti-anything which negatively affects the performance of my system for no good reason". That update caused me issues, which were resolved after I removed it, that's all I was saying.

As I said, if I choose to upgrade then MS can collect all the upgrade telemetry they need. Until then, why is it necessary on my system? I don't install anything if I don't feel it is necessary on my system. Why should I?

Anyway, that isn't my reason for not installing the convenience update, I choose to use a 3rd party option as it gives me more control over what I install.
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