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Windows 7: Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

29 May 2016   #171
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

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The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.
Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.
Even if you disable all the tasks in task scheduler I don't think the telemetry gets fully disabled.
Since KB2952664 was introduced it installs an appraiser task/file/program whatever you want to call it and compatTel.
I found these were asking for Internet access through comodo on many occasions. I also had a lot more disk thrashing when that update was installed. After removal my disk went back to normal. So, I'm not convinced disabling CEIP and the tasks fully disables it.
Brds7t7
I was asking lady if you go ahead install the rollup which includes the following Telemetry updates KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149. Why can't you just uninstall them after the roll-up is installed? If those updates won't uninstall you might be able to force it to uninstall using the Windows 7 powershell. You or anyone else can answer that question.


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29 May 2016   #172
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

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Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.
Even if you disable all the tasks in task scheduler I don't think the telemetry gets fully disabled.
Since KB2952664 was introduced it installs an appraiser task/file/program whatever you want to call it and compatTel.
I found these were asking for Internet access through comodo on many occasions. I also had a lot more disk thrashing when that update was installed. After removal my disk went back to normal. So, I'm not convinced disabling CEIP and the tasks fully disables it.
Brds7t7
I was asking lady if you go ahead install the rollup which includes the following Telemetry updates KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149. Why can't you just uninstall them after the roll-up is installed? If those updates won't uninstall you might be able to force it to uninstall using the Windows 7 powershell. You or anyone else can answer that question.
Hi Groze,
I'm not sure if it's possible to uninstall via Powershell when the updates are integrated into one rollup update like that, as you can't seem to be able to remove individual updates. I think if you install the updates individually then it's possible. I don't use Powershell often though so could be wrong. I've only really used it in Windows 8.1 to permanently remove metro apps.
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29 May 2016   #173
kerodo

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post

Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.
Even if you disable all the tasks in task scheduler I don't think the telemetry gets fully disabled.
Since KB2952664 was introduced it installs an appraiser task/file/program whatever you want to call it and compatTel.
I found these were asking for Internet access through comodo on many occasions. I also had a lot more disk thrashing when that update was installed. After removal my disk went back to normal. So, I'm not convinced disabling CEIP and the tasks fully disables it.
Brds7t7
I was asking lady if you go ahead install the rollup which includes the following Telemetry updates KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149. Why can't you just uninstall them after the roll-up is installed? If those updates won't uninstall you might be able to force it to uninstall using the Windows 7 powershell. You or anyone else can answer that question.
When you install the rollup update, it then shows up in Win Updates History as just 1 single update, no details or anything else. I have no idea if it's possible to remove the 3 telemetry updates somehow, but I'd guess not.

PS - This is on a clean install of Win 7 SP1 with just KB3020369 and the rollup installed. I don't know what happens if you install the rollup on a Win 7 machine which already has various updates historically installed.
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29 May 2016   #174
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

I read those updates. I don't see them as being bad. In fact KB3080149 as a good update. Here is the reason why.

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The Diagnostic and Telemetry service collects diagnostics information about functional issues on Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP). CEIP reports don't contain contact information, such as your name, address, or telephone number. This means CEIP won't ask you to participate in surveys or to read junk email, and you won't be contacted in any other way. Windows users can make changes to their Windows CEIP participation in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program settings page by opening Control Panel and selecting Action Center > Change Action Center settings > Customer Experience Improvement Program settings.
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Included in this update

  • Reduces the network connections on a Windows system that doesn't participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP).
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30 May 2016   #175
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Personally, there aren't many updates I would class as "bad" updates. Many that I've seen reports of causing people issues haven't caused me any problems at all. There are only two that have caused me issues in the past. The first was the one mentioned earlier. The second was this one classed as important: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3064209
That update caused me a BSOD upon install and was eventually pulled from Windows Update last year after numerous reports of issues. I haven't seen it show up again in WU since last year.

Do I feel most of these are bad updates? No. But, do I feel a lot of these need to be installed to have a fully functioning system? Again, No. Along with the other 40 updates I skip. My system runs well without them so I don't see the need to install them all. The main ones I do install are the updates which state they're to fix crashes, BSOD's, Issues caused by previous security updates, etc.

Some people will install all updates and have zero problems. I choose not to Install them if I don't feel they're necessary in the first place. For example, GWX, why would I install a "Get Windows 10" app when I have no intention of installing Windows 10 right now? Just another process running & using up resources.

Everybody has a different opinion on what updates are necessary. Me, personally, if it doesn't feel necessary, I see no need to install it. I have around 40 recommended/Optional updates installed and around 40 skipped. The only ones I don't skip are Security Updates. And I have doubts as to whether some of these are even necessary, if a person uses a lot of common sense online. However, with these, I'd rather not take the chance.
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30 May 2016   #176
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Yea my policy is if it's not classified as Important = don't bother
Callender posted a way to use task scheduler to zap any task for ceip which is probably more reliable than letting m$ do it via a update
Whatever happened to that promised Windows 7 convenience rollup?
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30 May 2016   #177
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yea my policy is if it's not classified as Important = don't bother
Callender posted a way to use task scheduler to zap any task for ceip which is probably more reliable than letting m$ do it via a update
Whatever happened to that promised Windows 7 convenience rollup?
Nice post M8 I was looking for that. Bookmarked.
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30 May 2016   #178
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yea my policy is if it's not classified as Important = don't bother
Callender posted a way to use task scheduler to zap any task for ceip which is probably more reliable than letting m$ do it via a update
Whatever happened to that promised Windows 7 convenience rollup?
Completely agree mate.

"Included in this update:
Reduces the network connections on a Windows system that doesn't participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP)."

I've always found this to be a contradictory statement anyway. Why would it need to reduce network connections if it's switched off in the first place?? Surely it shouldn't be using any network traffic anyway?
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30 May 2016   #179
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yea my policy is if it's not classified as Important = don't bother
Callender posted a way to use task scheduler to zap any task for ceip which is probably more reliable than letting m$ do it via a update
Whatever happened to that promised Windows 7 convenience rollup?
Completely agree mate.

"Included in this update:
Reduces the network connections on a Windows system that doesn't participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP)."

I've always found this to be a contradictory statement anyway. Why would it need to reduce network connections if it's switched off in the first place?? Surely it shouldn't be using any network traffic anyway?
My understanding of that if you have CEIP turned on it will use more network connections, if you turn it off it will reduce network connections.
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30 May 2016   #180
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Horror Story

I was remiss in getting my daughter to guard her comp against Win 10 and it tried an install that failed and left her with a non bootable Win 7. I tried several repair methods which all failed. I looked for and found an old image that I had made (she doesn't backup). It was three years old. I loaded this image and started win update to look for the changes. I had to let it set overnight. I had it set to download but let me choose what to install. Next day I had 200+ updates. I installed GWX Panel and started installing. When I was through I had a clean install with no Win 10 trash. There were some of the updates I chose not to install.
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