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Windows 7: August 2016 update rollup for Windows 7 SP1

25 Aug 2016   #21
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
It's MS' way or the highway

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LevelBest View Post
Any views though on why MS would start to do single monthly roll ups instead of individual updates?
One reason would be to force users to install all updates, even the useless ones like W10-style telemetry and data collection "improvements".

It seems that MS has figured out that millions of computers didn't "upgrade" to W10.
The "next GWX" will be hidden in update roll-ups.

I'm willing to bet that quite a few people here refused to install (and hid) all of the recent W7 telemetry updates


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25 Aug 2016   #22
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

OK, so I'm going to try and see the argument on both sides here, as I have mixed views on this.

I think the main issue is that people see the word telemetry and they instantly think "Data Mining"! That's not always the case with telemetry, it can actually be a very good and useful thing to collect feedback to improve products. It doesn't necessarily mean that MS is reading people's documents or looking at your photos.

In my opinion, anyone who uses the Internet these days will have more data collected about them than the telemetry patches MS have pushed out to Windows 7/8.1.

Use Google? Bing? Facebook? Twitter? You'll get a huge amount of your browsing habits collected! Ever applied for credit anywhere? Experian and other credit scoring agencies collect vast amounts of data on people. In my opinion, they're just big data collecting warehouses.

We live in a world now where huge amounts of data is collected about everyone. If anyone is worried about that, I'd say MS telemetry patches are the least of your concerns. I use several Android devices, so I'm completely tied into the Google ecosystem, both on PC and other devices, and I know they collect far more data on me than MS does.

Do I think these MS patches are necessary? Not to me.
But, do I think they're trying to collect as much data about me to build up a portfolio of my day to day life? I seriously doubt it.

Now, if they start pushing out Cortana (which I very much doubt will happen) to Windows 7 and 8.1.... then I might have to rethink this answer.
It's pure bloat to me, I don't want it, have no need for it, kindly don't force that bloat on my systems. The Windows 7/8.1 search system works well enough for my usage.
If I want to search things on the Internet, I open a browser! And no I don't want to sit there talking to my PC. I'll leave all that to the "young-uns". I don't even have Google Now installed on my android devices, it's one of the first things I remove. The only time I want to be seen "talking" to my phone is when there is an actual human being on the other end of it. I'd much rather talk to a person than a device!

Now, if MS does decide to have another "upgrade offer" (because, let's face it, the first one wasn't as successful as they had originally hoped), and push out another GWX patch in one of these rollups, then my Windows Updates will be going off at that point. I don't think this will happen, but I lack the clairvoyant skills to be able to say 100% .

I'm not instantly dismissing these rollups as a bad thing. However, I am questioning why they're suddenly introducing these now? And are they going to start pushing out unwanted junk to our systems? We'll just have to wait and see.

MS does have a good point that getting people all patched up and with the same system files will probably make testing and future patching a lot easier, both for them and 3rd parties, so I can see their logic on that.

Let's just hope the idea doesn't get abused!
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25 Aug 2016   #23
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Indeed they did use the phrase Fragmented
I have never actually hid a Important update

I do not see why Optional/ Recommended updates will now be bundled though that is where most issues are seen by people and they get recommended updated confused because they do not uncheck them to be sorted properly in the optional section where they belong.
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25 Aug 2016   #24
LevelBest

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit (Service Pack 1)
 
 

Thanks Brds7t7, that's the kind of views / opinions I wanted. Maybe I giving this issue too much head space, it just seems odd to me that MS suddenly start a single roll up. And your reference to pushing out unwanted junk is exactly my concern.

On a personal level, I do use Google but I don't use Facebook, Twitter or Bing, nor do I have a smart phone or iPad.

I can well see them doing another 'offer' of W10 and maybe this single roll out is a way of preparing more computers for it. To me, Windows 7 is perfect and from what I've read about W10, with telemetry you can't opt out of and Cortana, why would I want to upgrade.

LevelBest
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25 Aug 2016   #25
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LevelBest View Post
why would I want to upgrade.

LevelBest
Hi,
New and shiny
If someone goes full tilt into using a Micro... account it offers a lot of features
Of course when the features don't work they add a lot of frustration plus dealing with Micro... servers... too
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25 Aug 2016   #26
LevelBest

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit (Service Pack 1)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LevelBest View Post
why would I want to upgrade.

LevelBest
Hi,
New and shiny
If someone goes full tilt into using a Micro... account it offers a lot of features
Of course when the features don't work they add a lot of frustration plus dealing with Micro... servers... too


Hi

This is only my fifth year of having a computer at home that's linked to the Internet, so for me Windows 7 and Office 7 on my Samsung laptop stills seems new and shiny! It does what I want it to do, is pretty reliable but still yields the odd and good surprise.

LevelBest
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25 Aug 2016   #27
Joan Archer

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 10 64bit
 
 

Usually on my 7 desktop I've always left it to it's own devices with regards Updates and never had a problem. I don't use that machine much these days plus it can't be upgraded to 10 as the CPU is not compatible. Just seeing this thread made me go look at that machine, although I'd just left it after doing my accounts in Excel 2010.
Looked at Windows Update and that one is listed with about 5/6 others under Optional, I'd not checked for ages, there was also a Microsoft Keyboard one and a definition update. I installed the keyboard and definition ones but just left the optional and I'm sure I saw one that came out in 2015.

I'll leave those optional ones for now before deciding whether to install them or not.
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25 Aug 2016   #28
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer View Post
Usually on my 7 desktop
I don't use that machine much these days plus it can't be upgraded to 10 as the CPU is not compatible.
Hi
Is this the machine you're referring too Joan ?
Quote:
OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 10 64bit
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @ 2400 MHz/Intel B820,1.7GHz
Motherboard Foxconn 45CMX/45GMX/45CMX-K/Asus
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25 Aug 2016   #29
TheLovleyGuy

Windows 8 64bit
 
 

Will i am out of Windows 7 ,, because i downloaded Windows 8 and thats better in updates
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25 Aug 2016   #30
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
I believe win-8 is plagued by the same issues updating and is also seeing bundling now so it really isn't any different in that respect just smaller numbers of people affected

Last I updated win-8 I had to install about 25 updates at a time only Important ones mind you before I could install 8.1
But yea 8.1 is not all that different than win-10 imo using a local account except 8.1 is way more stable to me anyway
Not that I use it I just simply bailed out of win-10 back to 8.1 the clean way.
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