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19 Oct 2016   #131
Sky Ranch

Windows 7 Home 64-bit
 
 

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I'm still not sure what is the purpose of "October 2016 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 SP1". If it will include patches in next months rollup what's the purpose of downloading and installing it now?

It seems a little redundant.

A preview of the security monthly quality rollup[LIST][*]An additional monthly rollup containing a preview of new non-security fixes that will be included in the next monthly rollup, as well as fixes from all previous monthly rollup. This can also be called the preview rollup.
If it contains "a preview of new non-security fixes", why is it called a "security monthly quality rollup"?

And what's with the word "preview"?? Does it contain the fixes or doesn't it? It contains a "preview" of the "fixes" as opposed to the "fixes" themselves?

Did these geniuses attend the Humpty Dumpty School Of Lexicography?

Convince me this isn't deliberately designed to be confusing for some unspoken motive.
Yeah, I'm as confused as you are. I went ahead and hid it just to see if it disappears when next months PT rolls around.

I suppose if you're a Microsoft programmer writing machine language 24/7, English tends to become a second language.


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19 Oct 2016   #132
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

I'm ignoring these "Preview rollups". I'm not beta testing MS updates for them, just because they've been doing a crappy job of it themselves lately!
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19 Oct 2016   #133
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sky Ranch View Post

Yeah, I'm as confused as you are.
Sky Ranch:

What's your connection, if any, to the Reno Sky Ranch?

I'm old enough to remember it--grew up in Western NV.
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19 Oct 2016   #134
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post

Now I see that I am offered KB3192403, "October 2016 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 SP1"----whatever the hell that is.

All I want is security stuff.
See here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...update-history

No need to install unless your machine is affected by one of the issues that it fixes. I suppose that's why it's optional.
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19 Oct 2016   #135
michael diemer

Windows 7 x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
I'm ignoring these "Preview rollups". I'm not beta testing MS updates for them, just because they've been doing a crappy job of it themselves lately!
My experience: Tried installing them yesterday, "updates failed to install."

Tried today: "failure configuring updates." What garbage.

Addendum: Somehow things sorted themselves out. Computer restarted and I could see that updates installed. Miracles do happen.

Addendum 2: On checking Windows Update, I saw that everything succeeded except 3185330, the Security Quality Rollup. I tried 3 times but it wouldn't install. I then downloaded and installed the Security Only update from https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3092391. That did it.
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20 Oct 2016   #136
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Windows Update Glitches

My PC has been experiencing weird Windows Update glitches since installing this update (KB3192391).
I originally suspected it was related to the KB3177467 update.

I first noticed it when I was about to install IE 11.
I selected it in the Optional Updates list and returned to the Windows Update "home" window.
I decided that I might as well risk installing some optional driver updates, so I returned to the Updates List window.

All of the updates (Important & Optional) had vanished except for KB3177467.
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KB3177467 just appeared in my Windows Update update list.

It removed every other update that had been previously been shown (e.g. drivers, IE 11, GWX and telemetry stuff).

Is KB3177467 safe to install?

Additional
People seem to be having issues with this KB3177467 update.
KB3177467
After several reboots the updates reappeared and I installed IE 11.

Additional
I just checked my Windows Update Service settings and discovered that they had changed from "Disabled" to "Automatic (Delayed Start)".

I'm certain that I set it to "Disabled" after complaining in my earlier post.

Additional
I just set Windows Update Service to "Disabled" and rebooted my PC.
When I checked Services, Windows Update Service was set to "Automatic (Delayed Start)".
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20 Oct 2016   #137
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
My PC has been experiencing weird Windows Update glitches since installing this update (KB3192391).
I originally suspected it was related to the KB3177467 update.

I first noticed it when I was about to install IE 11.
I selected it in the Optional Updates list and returned to the Windows Update "home" window.
I decided that I might as well risk installing some optional driver updates, so I returned to the Updates List window.

All of the updates (Important & Optional) had vanished except for KB3177467.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
KB3177467 just appeared in my Windows Update update list.

It removed every other update that had been previously been shown (e.g. drivers, IE 11, GWX and telemetry stuff).

Is KB3177467 safe to install?

Additional
People seem to be having issues with this KB3177467 update.
KB3177467
After several reboots the updates reappeared and I installed IE 11.

Additional
I just checked my Windows Update Service settings and discovered that they had changed from "Disabled" to "Automatic (Delayed Start)".

I'm certain that I set it to "Disabled" after complaining in my earlier post.

Additional
I just set Windows Update Service to "Disabled" and rebooted my PC.
When I checked Services, Windows Update Service was set to "Automatic (Delayed Start)".
I've installed both the Security-only rollup and the Security Quality rollup and the newest Servicing Stack Update (KB3177467) in different VM's. Set Windows Update to disabled and it has stayed disabled even after reboots.

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Are you using MSE? I read somewhere that this can be the cause of the Windows Update service going back to Default settings. I think it needs the service to be running to download the definition updates (don't quote me on that as I never use MSE, I use Avast).

I don't use MSE on any system or VM and none of my WU settings change unless I change them.

If you're not using MSE then I have no idea what is causing your WU service settings to keep defaulting.


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20 Oct 2016   #138
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

MES is running normally including getting definition updates while I have WU set to disabled. In fact it runs better that way as it doesn't suffer from the slowdown caused by WU constantly checking for updates each month from Patch Tuesday until such time as they are installed.

I still have GWX Control Panel installed, mainly because I don't trust MS any more but this is a timely reminder perhaps that an additional benefit of running it in monitor mode is that it will tell you if the WU settings are changed.
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20 Oct 2016   #139
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Hmmm... Can't be MSE causing the issue then. Possibly a 3rd party program causing it?

All I know is I had WU service set to disabled for a few months on my main system, during the 10 upgrade fiasco (I only kept in Automatic in a couple of VM's), and not once did it ever change by itself. And its never happened to me in any VM I've tested over the years, or on any OS I've tested.

No idea what causes it to happen on some users systems.
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21 Oct 2016   #140
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Are you using MSE? I read somewhere that this can be the cause of the Windows Update service going back to Default settings. I think it needs the service to be running to download the definition updates (don't quote me on that as I never use MSE, I use Avast).
I'm using Avast too.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brds7t7 View Post
Hmmm... Can't be MSE causing the issue then. Possibly a 3rd party program causing it?
Since the last time I updated W7, I've manually updated Notepad++, Flash and CCleaner.

I assume that Avast has been updating itself.
MBAM Free updates itself when I run it.

Since it only seems to be happening to me, it's probably not an update issue.
It's not critical as I will be rolling my W7 install back to my pre-AndroidStudio backup image, at the end of this semester.
I can't wait to get rid of Java (and get ~4GB of space back).

Maybe it will "fix" itself after some more reboots (like the Update List).
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