Continuing the Fight Against Piracy.

Colonel Travis · 12 Jan 2010

HJA said:

Or you can just complain about how crappy you think capitalism is and be miserable.

I realize I have a choice, but with mass production generally things go down in price. This hasn't happened with MS OS. It's interesting when a company controls the market and prices. No competition is what we have. If more programs would be produced for Linux I might try it. And if it's not defective why updates, patches and SP's. What if you had to take your car in once a month for a "Service Pack"? I'm not trying to cause an argument. Just a comment. Just an observation. Win7 is the best system from MS yet.

The market controls the market, not MS. You've got Apple, Linux, Solaris, Chrome and maybe others I don't know about, competing in the world of OS against MS. One of your arguments against MS is that Linux doesn't produce enough programs. Who's fault is that? Who is preventing Linux people from producing more Linux stuff? Who is preventing MS people converting to Linux? Or Apple people to Linux? The Linux kernel has been around for almost exactly two decades, it's not like people haven't had enough time to evaluate it.

The cost of Windows and Macs and the crappiness of Vista have given Linux a boost the past few years. You're seeing Ubuntu on netbooks, and you're going to see more Linux desktops down the road. I'm a big fan of open source. But, like you, I have wanted to try Linux and, like you, I said - screw it. I'm going with whomever makes the best products, I don't care who it is.

Going with your car analogy - how many cars have recalls for various reasons? Your car needs an oil change every 5K-7Kish miles, it needs a lot more other regular maintenance or else it will fall apart or blow up. Show me one car that's had zero problems after driving it off the lot for the first time. Software doesn't behave the same as a car, but it's got its own problems - like everything else manufactured by human beings.

patio · 12 Jan 2010

HJA said:

When MS went public they created more millionaires over night than any other company ever. However when you look at the product it's defective. They have a Beta then after say a year they put it out for sale. The problem is it is still Beta, only #2. They have patches, updates, etc. They have the public test it, then they sell it, and then fix it constantly until they decide to do it all over again. All other software mfgrs must modify their product to make it work with MS. I know, there are millions of lines of code but look at it. It fits on a 25 cent cd/dvd. They spit these out by the 10's of thousands, and charge up to $300+. But we pay for it!
Why? They have a monopoly. I know there is Linux, etc but it's all about money. Software mfgrs go where the profit is. MS makes billions and everyone wants a cut.
This PC I just got will last me 10 years like the last one. I guess if you average it out ....Oh well.

This is a shallow...very shallow view of what actually goes into an OS development...

Juxhin · 12 Jan 2010

Guys we are not fighting here just discussing.
Here is a truth about the diference betwen pirated and licensed Os softwares movies etc..

-Good things about licensed softwares
Nothing comes to my mind right now.

-Bad things about licensed softwares
1Waste of money
2You have to worry about credit cards and going to the shop
3Limited number of machines to install

-Good things about pirated software
1 Download in a very small amount of time
2 All you need is a cheap empty CD or DVD (if its a bootable app)
3 No waste of Money
4 You can install in as many machines as you want (friends PC etc.) without having to worry in buying again.
5 No going all the way to the shop and maby you dont find what you are looking for
6 Avilable in all countries
7 You have so many articles to choose and all for free
8 You enjoy the procedure and feel happy
9 I like this forum so much

-Bad things about pirated software
1 Well if you use torrents in some countries (not in mine) your IP can get tracked and you get busted anyway you can Encrypt the traffic or buy a good filehosting premium account like RapidShare (Wich is really cheap) and you are done.
2 Well you can download so much stuff that you will have to buy a new HDD maby a 1TB one (and that will cost$ anyway better than buying a 200$ MS OS)

Note:I can say I have NEVER paid for a software and i dont think i will ever do I have Vsita XP Seven Setups all versions Ultimate Professional etc... 32 and 64 Bit and all MS Office and many other software. A external HDD full of softwares.

I couldnt explain more clearly
This is the whole truth now you guys judge.

pparks1 · 12 Jan 2010

Juxhin said:

Note:I can say I have NEVER paid for a software and i dont think i will ever do I have Vsita XP Seven Setups all versions Ultimate Professional etc... 32 and 64 Bit and all MS Office and many other software. A external HDD full of softwares.

That type of argument will not go over well on this forum. We don't really support or endorse piracy.

I too have a whole drive full of software, all of which costs me absolutely nothing and was a quick and easy download that can be used however and whereever I want to use it which didn't require me to visit a retail store. It's all open source software with Linux based OS's. There are options outside of completely pirating software to do what you want.

As far as pirating software goes, you also run the risk of it being infected with malware, spyware or something else insidious. I could better understand something like Photoshop...but no way would I want to run a hacked and activated copy of my operating system with pieces manipulated and changed. To me that just spells trouble and I'd rather avoid it.

Juxhin · 12 Jan 2010

pparks1 said:

Juxhin said:

Note:I can say I have NEVER paid for a software and i dont think i will ever do I have Vsita XP Seven Setups all versions Ultimate Professional etc... 32 and 64 Bit and all MS Office and many other software. A external HDD full of softwares.

That type of argument will not go over well on this forum. We don't really support or endorse piracy.

As far as pirating software goes, you also run the risk of it being infected with malware, spyware or something else insidious. I could better understand something like Photoshop...but no way would I want to run a hacked and activated copy of my operating system with pieces manipulated and changed. To me that just spells trouble and I'd rather avoid it.

Thats why we have antivirus softwares and firewalls and about the manipulated pices the only pice modified is the license nothing more , the software files remain untouched.

Frostmourne · 12 Jan 2010

pparks1 said:

Juxhin said:

Note:I can say I have NEVER paid for a software and i dont think i will ever do I have Vsita XP Seven Setups all versions Ultimate Professional etc... 32 and 64 Bit and all MS Office and many other software. A external HDD full of softwares.

That type of argument will not go over well on this forum. We don't really support or endorse piracy.

I too have a whole drive full of software, all of which costs me absolutely nothing and was a quick and easy download that can be used however and whereever I want to use it which didn't require me to visit a retail store. It's all open source software with Linux based OS's. There are options outside of completely pirating software to do what you want.

As far as pirating software goes, you also run the risk of it being infected with malware, spyware or something else insidious. I could better understand something like Photoshop...but no way would I want to run a hacked and activated copy of my operating system with pieces manipulated and changed. To me that just spells trouble and I'd rather avoid it.

Agreed, I would never pirate Microsoft - you use the OS daily, why bother? And who knows what may have been injected into the code.

jimbo45 · 12 Jan 2010

Hi all
Some people will pay others won't.
This problem CANNOT be solved purely by technology-- Hackers etc can do things a lot quicker than say a company like MS can.

Ms need to do things that ensure the MILLIONS of OS'es out there continue to work after they've incorporated their changes.

The Hacker only has to get his fix to work on a SINGLE system -- no testing, quality control, copy to production , release to public strategies required either.

MS can TRY to tighten up their software against Piracy -- but it will ALWAYS be a losing battle.

It's playing catch up.

Piracy however can be minimized by adopting sensible pricing policies -- in some countries 50 USD is nothing, in others it's a week or more's wages.

However Piracy is STEALING. Just think if you spent a week in the freezing cold at considerable expense doing a Photoshoot say for the National Geographic magazine - and imagine that before you could get paid your pics had appeared all over the web so you don't get paid -- I don't think you'd be very pleased somehow.

Cheers
jimbo

pparks1 · 12 Jan 2010

Juxhin said:

Thats why we have antivirus softwares and firewalls

But I'm not so sure that the antivirus scanners and firewall folks are necessarily searching for hacked operating system code injected from a warez site. In addition, with a few modifications to the core OS (which could easily be done since it's been manipulated), you could very easily sail past a variety of scanners or make them not work properly thus producing a false sense of security.

Juxhin said:

and about the manipulated pices the only pice modified is the license nothing more , the software files remain untouched.

Really...how can you be sure???? It's a reasonable assumption..but you have no guarantee. I've worked on quite a number of machines using a hacked OS that exhibited problems that simply were not duplicated once they were installed with clean OS media. It's pretty hard to argue with 1) install hacked OS, run updates, start app and get blue screen. 2) install clean os, run updates, start app and viola....then 3) reinstall hacked os, run updates, start app and Blue Screen.

Juxhin · 12 Jan 2010

jimbo45 said:

Hi all
Some people will pay others won't.
This problem CANNOT be solved purely by technology-- Hackers etc can do things a lot quicker than say a company like MS can.

Ms need to do things that ensure the MILLIONS of OS'es out there continue to work after they've incorporated their changes.

The Hacker only has to get his fix to work on a SINGLE system -- no testing, quality control, copy to production , release to public strategies required either.

MS can TRY to tighten up their software against Piracy -- but it will ALWAYS be a losing battle.

It's playing catch up.

Piracy however can be minimized by adopting sensible pricing policies -- in some countries 50 USD is nothing, in others it's a week or more's wages.

Cheers
jimbo

In my country only some stores sell genuine softwares wil are very expensive all the other stores sell stuff downloaded from internet.
A saying
Piracy is not an option , it came bundled with windows ( i modified a bit)

Juxhin · 12 Jan 2010

pparks1 said:

Juxhin said:

Thats why we have antivirus softwares and firewalls

But I'm not so sure that the antivirus scanners and firewall folks are necessarily searching for hacked operating system code injected from a warez site. In addition, with a few modifications to the core OS (which could easily be done since it's been manipulated), you could very easily sail past a variety of scanners or make them not work properly thus producing a false sense of security.

Juxhin said:

and about the manipulated pices the only pice modified is the license nothing more , the software files remain untouched.

Really...how can you be sure???? It's a reasonable assumption..but you have no guarantee.

I have no guarantee but i have proofs.
If you download from trusted websites wich have many member you cant get infected cause you read the coments from members who have tested the softwares before.
And i used to be a webmaster of a warez site wich i closed cause i got fed up so i know how things work.
( this conversation is getting intresting )