Studios crushed: ISP can't be forced to play copyright

RST101 said:

The USA should not be forcing their laws onto other countries anyway.

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... I know there are alot of movies out there that depicts the future world run by major corporation, blade runner comes to mind...

But this is the present.

Major corporations are still major corporation.

The entertainment industry is still the entertainment industry.

And the article is still about the entertainment industry vs. isp's...

omegatron said:

RST101 said:

The USA should not be forcing their laws onto other countries anyway.

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... I know there are alot of movies out there that depicts the future world run by major corporation, blade runner comes to mind...

But this is the present.

Major corporations are still major corporation.

The entertainment industry is still the entertainment industry.

And the article is still about the entertainment industry vs. isp's...

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Yes I know it's the entertainment industry but I think you will find it's the mpaa and riaa who are the ones spear heading this campaign!

You will also find the mpaa/riaa want to put in place "copyright" laws that don't exist in other countries. They want other countries to change their own laws to accommodate theirs.

This article maybe about one fight but I was thinking about the bigger picture, sorry.

so they want to hold ISP's responsible for what people download over the internet? is that what this is all basically about? so why not hold the ISP responsible for the kiddy porn the freaks download?

I worked in internet crimes for 10 years catching the freaks and not once did I think anyone but the freak should be punished. I also helped catch for profit pirates and I remember this one case in central Florida where a father and son sold movies and were making $600+ weekly during my investigation I couldn't figure out where the movies where coming from as they only had limited internet speeds and downloading the amount of movies just wasn't possible for them, it finally came to light they were getting these movies from local movie rental stores and coping them with machines that cost 1000 or more.

I am a part time artist and I have many images I created and hold rights to, a few of which are on this forum and I also sell large prints in a local gallery. Posting my images in the net doesn't take any money out of my pocket cause it was never there. The profits I gain from the gallery have given me the ability to start looking at a better apartment and getting a second laptop for my wife. Posting free copies of my work got me 2 sales locally. I think the people who profit from music and movies are just plain greedy and feel as though its mine and I should get paid no matter who looks at it or when.

I wonder what would happen if every movie going person around the world pick a day and didn't go see movies that day if that would wake these greedy people up. me personally I love going to the movie for the experience, if I like the movie I want the DVD not because it has the movie on it because it has the extra stuff and you can't get that from a pirated copy (well at least I don't think you can)

well that was my point of view on this subject now I am going to play my free America's Army game.

you can't blame corporate greed for people stealing content. but it's not the fault of the isp

I personally think that the film and music industry needs to re-evaluate the way they do things. If film stars are going to continue to receive obscene amounts of cash to star in a production. Then they can only expect to get pirate copies in the wild.Drop the rates , share the profits more fairly amongst the individuals involved and reduce prices to the cash paying public in general. Yes im fully aware the artists need to eat , same as the film crew , director and the person the sweeps the floor and makes tea. But does the star of the movie really need $40,000,000 per film ?

From my understanding Australia seems to be a guinea pig in regards to internet censorship and i agree some aspects of the web needs to be governed such as Child porn and possibly sites that encourage terrorism /preach racial-sexual hatred (but the latter is more to do with freedom to express an opinion.) The question is , to what extent of monitoring our activities is acceptable ? Should ISP's be able to look inside an encrypted file and deem it inappropriate and as macgyver2 pointed out who will oversee the ISP to make sure that no abuse to the system is happening. What methods will be used to carry out such actions (I was under the impression that it was against the law to do so currently, but im more than likely wrong on that as im no expert on the subject )

I remember when the VCR players/recorders came out and the film industry was up in arms about it calling it "the end of the industry and the work of the devil and encouraging piracy " and other such nonsense.In the end the companies adapted to it and saw the potential to make massive profits and made a killing from sales.They just need to do the same with the net and embrace it as a friend and not the evil enemy its being made out to be. Sure Piracy will always be around and its unstoppable and will never be tamed , but if you feed the beast a little it may stop biting you at every opportunity.

Thats my daily rant done and dusted .... feel much better now lol

valtonray said:

you can't blame corporate greed for people stealing content. but it's not the fault of the isp

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Stealing is actually criminal law and seeing as copyright is not criminal it can't fall under that category. Is recording a tv show or recording the chart hits off the radio also classed as stealing? Because if it is then I guess just about everybody is a thief.

Don't be brainwashed by their propaganda machine.

Legacy Code said:

But does the star of the movie really need $40,000,000 per film ?

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Monetary worth does not equal societal worth. Of course no one needs that much per film, but that's not how a free market operates. As I type this, Avatar has made $2,242,561,528, worldwide. That's one movie, and it's far from being done with raking in the cash. The reason the highest paid actors get paid is because people want to see them. No one goes to a movie wanting to see who swept up the sound stage.

Don't forget - someone has to be even richer to write that actor's check. Should the studio execs hoard all of it? There aren't any mega-star actors in Avatar, I wonder how that pot is being divided?

But you are exactly right, LC: movies, publishing, music - the morons who run these industries have no clue how the marketplace is changing. Actually, some of them do but almost all of them refuse to face it because they've been used to the old model for decades. It will take a while, but they will all be forced to change.

RST101 said:

omegatron said:

RST101 said:

The USA should not be forcing their laws onto other countries anyway.

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... I know there are alot of movies out there that depicts the future world run by major corporation, blade runner comes to mind...

But this is the present.

Major corporations are still major corporation.

The entertainment industry is still the entertainment industry.

And the article is still about the entertainment industry vs. isp's...

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Yes I know it's the entertainment industry but I think you will find it's the mpaa and riaa who are the ones spear heading this campaign!

You will also find the mpaa/riaa want to put in place "copyright" laws that don't exist in other countries. They want other countries to change their own laws to accommodate theirs.

This article maybe about one fight but I was thinking about the bigger picture, sorry.

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You reinforced my point. It's not the USA but major corporations.

Cheers.

Monetary worth does not equal societal worth. Of course no one needs that much per film, but that's not how a free market operates. As I type this, Avatar has made $2,242,561,528, worldwide. That's one movie, and it's far from being done with raking in the cash. The reason the highest paid actors get paid is because people want to see them. No one goes to a movie wanting to see who swept up the sound stage.

Don't forget - someone has to be even richer to write that actor's check. Should the studio execs hoard all of it? There aren't any mega-star actors in Avatar, I wonder how that pot is being divided?

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and Avatar weren't even that good!

omegatron said:

You reinforced my point. It's not the USA but major corporations.

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No. The DMCA, for example, was created to follow treaties in the World Intellectual Property Organization. This anti-piracy stuff has been around for decades, and the biggest confabulations usually get their start in Europe. EUCD is more restrictive than the DMCA. TPB trial? Europe. The Mini lawsuit? Europe.

I'm not saying US companies aren't big backers of anti-piracy because they are. I'm just saying that when it comes to making laws in general, the U.S. takes a back seat to everyone on the planet.

omegatron said:

RST101 said:

omegatron said:

... I know there are alot of movies out there that depicts the future world run by major corporation, blade runner comes to mind...

But this is the present.

Major corporations are still major corporation.

The entertainment industry is still the entertainment industry.

And the article is still about the entertainment industry vs. isp's...

Click to expand...

Yes I know it's the entertainment industry but I think you will find it's the mpaa and riaa who are the ones spear heading this campaign!

You will also find the mpaa/riaa want to put in place "copyright" laws that don't exist in other countries. They want other countries to change their own laws to accommodate theirs.

This article maybe about one fight but I was thinking about the bigger picture, sorry.

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You reinforced my point. It's not the USA but major corporations.

Cheers.

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The aa stands for association of america.