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26 Feb 2010   #141
brianzion

Operating System : Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 6.01.7600 SP1 (x64)
 
 

my system works well dont forget the ready boost we can use too


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26 Feb 2010   #142
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

heres another article rebuffing these claims, ill post the relevant bit but include the link if your interested in reading the full article

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Even on a system with only 1 GB of RAM, I found it difficult to exhaust all physical memory. At one point I had 13 browser tabs open, including one playing a long Flash video clip); at the same time I had opened a 1000-page PDF file in Acrobat Reader and a 30-page graphically intense document in Word 2010, plus Outlook 2010 downloading mail from my Exchange account, a few open Explorer windows, and a handful of background utilities running. And, of course, three memory monitoring tools. Even with that workload, I still had roughly 10% of physical RAM available.
full article: Windows 7 memory usage: What's the best way to measure? | Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com
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26 Feb 2010   #143
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

A very good read. Thanks for the link.
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28 Feb 2010   #144
chrysalis

windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by severedsolo View Post
heres another article rebuffing these claims, ill post the relevant bit but include the link if your interested in reading the full article

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Even on a system with only 1 GB of RAM, I found it difficult to exhaust all physical memory. At one point I had 13 browser tabs open, including one playing a long Flash video clip); at the same time I had opened a 1000-page PDF file in Acrobat Reader and a 30-page graphically intense document in Word 2010, plus Outlook 2010 downloading mail from my Exchange account, a few open Explorer windows, and a handful of background utilities running. And, of course, three memory monitoring tools. Even with that workload, I still had roughly 10% of physical RAM available.
full article: Windows 7 memory usage: What's the best way to measure? | Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com
well doh.

In that scenario he may have been using 90% of ram but I expect he was also using 1 gig of swap memory. What was he expecting?

You cant correctly judge memory usage in such a low ram machine.

On my laptop which came with 1 gig of ram, it only runs a few apps, typically 1 browser window using 1-2 tabs, irc chat and some explorer and notepad windows. It was swapping just with that usage. Now its upgraded to 3 gig of ram it runs great and usage is usually about 30-50% depending on uptime (since memory leaks exist in various apps). So if I upgraded to 2 gig the laptop probably would have been fine also. But 1 gig wasnt enough and thats very light usage.

On my desktop on bootup I am using already 700-800meg ram. Would be foolish to think I could then load a dozen IE tabs, acrobat, word and outlook only using an extra 100meg of ram, that is insane. IE for a start is quite memory hungry, I have adove flash, adobe pdf, sun java addons, no toolbars. With them each tab uses around 40 meg of memory to load google's home page. It goes much higher when a proper website is loaded. Outlook uses about 150meg of ram, I got 2 copies of word running using 100meg each for 2 page documents.

The reason he is seeing lower ram usage is.

(a) windows will manage low ram situations by swapping to disk, so data is moved from real ram to a swapfile. Bingo less ram used.
(b) windows will cache less data, so sure less ram is used but also things run slower.

at the moment I am using 3.48 gig of ram 58% of my 6 gig of ram.
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28 Feb 2010   #145
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

ah but if you actually read the article, he goes on to say that it memory manages better on ALL machines,

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To help cut through the confusion, I’ve taken a careful look at memory usage on a handful of Windows 7 systems here, with installed RAM ranging from 1 GB to 10 GB.
i just included the 1GB bit to show that even on a machine with 1GB of RAM it works (and does anyone actually buy a new pc with only 1GB of ram? do they even sell them anymore? excluding netbooks ofc)
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28 Feb 2010   #146
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by severedsolo View Post
ah but if you actually read the article, he goes on to say that it memory manages better on ALL machines,

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To help cut through the confusion, I’ve taken a careful look at memory usage on a handful of Windows 7 systems here, with installed RAM ranging from 1 GB to 10 GB.
i just included the 1GB bit to show that even on a machine with 1GB of RAM it works (and does anyone actually buy a new pc with only 1GB of ram? do they even sell them anymore? excluding netbooks ofc)
Works? Barely Works well? Never.
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28 Feb 2010   #147
JonM33

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

More FUD...
Editor's note: The person quoted in this story as "Craig Barth" is actually Randall C. Kennedy, an InfoWorld contributor. Kennedy, who presented himself as the CTO of Devil Mountain Software, no longer works at InfoWorld. Given that he disguised his identity to Computerworld and a number of other publications, the credibility of Kennedy's statements is called into question. Rather than simply remove stories in which he is quoted, we have left them online so readers can weigh his data and conclusions for themselves.
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01 Mar 2010   #148
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

stupid question time... (its not off topic as im checking facts for a post on this) but where can i find out how much paging memory is being used? resource manager and task manager only seem to show physical memory
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01 Mar 2010   #149
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

If the standard task manager is not showing enough info have a look at process explorer and monitor apps from Sysinternals

Or by personal choice Process hacker

Windows Sysinternals: Documentation, downloads and additional resources

Home - Process Hacker

They can both also replace the default task manager
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01 Mar 2010   #150
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

thanks barman, turns out Task manager was showing what i needed just wasnt looking in the right place, i like sys internals though, so cheers,

anyway, back to the point in hand, attached is a picture of my memory commit with Firefox, Media player playing mp3's and an office document open (that to me is light usage....)

as you can see my commit is 1303... now if i had a 1GB machine, i read that as RAM full (or pretty close to) and paging file of 1.5GB (at 1.5x size of ram) at about 25%? bearing in mind this pc has been on constantly for 26 hours.... so im failing to see how 1GB of ram wouldnt be ok for light usage.... (although admittedly if you wanted to do something beyond what im doing with it 1GB isnt enough)


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