ACTA leak: ISPs to be bound by new rules

RST101 said:

Lee said:

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

So have you never recorded shows of tv or the chart hits when you were younger? Maybe on cassette tapes from your mates bedroom? Because if you never you must be the only person in the world not to have done so.

I guess were all thieves according to your logic.

Or ever lent a book or magazine to anyone? Perhaps you have thumbed through a magazine on a stand or a book on the store shelf? Did you purchase it? If not then the IP rights of the author(s) have been violated. Ever seen a VanGogh, Cezanne, Monet or a da Vince? Did you remit to the artist or the estate thereof? I didn't think so.

The IP rights scenario can be taken to absurd proportions. In Canada, we pay a substancial tax on every blank cassette and CD, which is remitted to the recording industry and now they want more!

Anyone that thinks that this is bad...just wait, it's going to get a lot worse.

RST101 said:

Lee said:

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

So have you never recorded shows of tv or the chart hits when you were younger? Maybe on cassette tapes from your mates bedroom? Because if you never you must be the only person in the world not to have done so.

I guess were all thieves according to your logic.

well said - & just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person - a bit dodgy maybe at best but not bad at all - lee get off your soap box !! - who are you to judge who & what is good or bad? - leave that to god. - or are you one of these fat-cats that benifits from this kind of stuff ?

Staple Head said:

Lee said:

Again RST101 you have proven my point. If I cannot prove it is right then I will blame someone else. I will point out how stupid they are my saying they recorded a movie or television show (sorry never owned a VHS or Beta machine).

If that doesn't work then lets point out the greedy corporations. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't need to steal their products. They set the prices to high, so in order for us lowly peasants to get some of their products we have to steal it that is the only way we will ever get what we want.

lee the only one that seems to be unable to have a civil conversation about the issue is you. this is the second tread that i have had to chide you on.

might as well save your breath staple head - this lee is obviously a higher form of human being than the rest of us lying , stealing , unworthy , poor peasants - must be a lonely existence being so perfect

thefabe said:

Alright come on guys everyone is entitled to their opinions. And some people hold themselves to a high moral standard than others. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything on this post except for the personal attack on someone who has chosen to disagree with your opinions.It's starting to get to the bashing point. Fabe

i agree totaly with you fabe - everyone does have the right to disagree & hold thier own opinion , but if you read some of the other posts you will see this person attacking other posters by calling them thieves , dishonest people & peasants now surely they have the right also to hold thier opinions as well without being insulted in this way - all i was doing was giving this person some of ther own medicine - but i do agree with your post totaly - as long as everyone is behaving in the same way towards each other if this person insults others then they must expect a little retribution in return - it just go to me a little when he insulted the guy who asked the question about recording something on the tv by insinuating by doing this he was some kind of dishonest unworthy person - i mean we all occasionaly record a film or sporting event to watch at at a later point - it doesnt make us bad people, thieves or peasents - as im sure you will agree - i do appreciate the input though - maybe i should have just ignored him/her - just annoyed me a bit - lol

darkassain said:

agree with thefabe here...
he may have his own opinion here
i will agree that by just being suspected and not accused of doing such things is just wrong especially by not having a court trial...
reminds me of guilty (easy to do) until proven innocent (which may impossible to do)

agreed