| Windows 7: The Problem With Microsoft’s Windows 8 Timetable. |
20 Mar 2010
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#1 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1. |
The Problem With Microsoft’s Windows 8 Timetable. Quote: News of Windows 8 is scarce and uncertain, but most of what we know about it points to a release in 2012, some three years after the release of Windows 7. While this three-year release cycle worked well with Windows 7, making it the norm might not be the best plan for Microsoft, its business and home users, and its software developers. Source - The Problem With Microsoft's Windows 8 Timetable | Windows 7 News | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number LAPTOP. HP Pavilion dv7-4010TX . OS Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1. CPU Intel i7 -720QM.[1.6GHz Turbo Boost 2.8GHz. 6MB Cache.] Memory 8 DDR 3 RAM. 1066MHZ Graphics Card ATI 1024 MB. DDR3. Radeon HD5650 Monitor(s) Displays 17.3" High Definition Brightview LCD. LED Backlit. Screen Resolution 1600 x 900. Mouse Logitech Anywhere mouse. MX. Case Laptop / notebook. Hard Drives 640GB Internet Speed ADSL [ but too slow ] |
20 Mar 2010
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MS shot themselves in the foot and created a catch-22 by allowing XP to exist and support it far longer than they should have.
With a 2012 Win 8 release, and continued XP support till 2014 (albeit limited) - where is the incentive for companies using XP to roll out when a new release is 'always just over the horizon' ? The same applies to non-commercial end users.
To maintain such a short 3 year turnaround, they really do have to look at lowering prices for their releases to entice more companies and end users to keep abreast of the latest release schedule.
Otherwise they will still have the dichotomy of supporting a superseded OS as well as maintaining support for the latest OS. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Computers by SmartEyeball OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 3x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce *TRI SLI* Sound Card ALC898 / 5.1 receiver/ ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 5760*1200/ 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser IE, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
Fanatec CSR Elite Wheel + Clubsport Pedals + CSR shifter/7GS ▼
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21 Mar 2010
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |
Smarteyeball, I was thinking the same thing. Like you said it could remove the incentive to upgrade. I also agree if they go that route they have to bring prices down. It's going to make a lot of work for Microsoft too, patching X number of OS's. They should do a one time deal where if you mail them your Microsoft XP CD (and product code) they mail you back an equivalent windows 7 DVD. It's not like they can't afford it. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 |
21 Mar 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
3-4 years is the normal timeframe for a windows OS release, it's only the exceptionally long life of XP, due to the Longhorn Re-think, that is clouding the issue now.
And microsoft actually did quite well in the market, with this schedule | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
21 Mar 2010
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In my opinion I don't really think it matters how often they release a new OS.
I walk into businesses and notice they are still using Windows 2000, sometimes 98 etc and think they will only upgrade when the computer dies and well some computers can last a very very long time. May get outdated but they still work the same as they did when they were new.
This also is the same with consumer computers as well. Only a select few people run out and buy a new version of Windows just because it is new. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus 15.4" laptop OS Windows 7 7100 build CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.5 Motherboard Asus Memory 4gig Graphics Card Nvidia 9500 512mb mobile Monitor(s) Displays External 26" Samsung TOC (very nice!!) Screen Resolution 19200 by 1200 Hard Drives 1 320gig 7200 rpm |
21 Mar 2010
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After XP, MS introduced the 10 year support for OS (5 years mainstream support with service packs, 5 years extended support with security patches only). Obvioulsy someone switching to the new OS 2-3 years after release only will have 7-8 years of support left. This is not a bad idea since it coincides with increasing hardware requirements and longevity of equipment.
Businesses that run outdated OS are bad businesses. The little money they save on OS and hardware they spend on added support cost (Windows 7 is easier to maintain than XP etc.) and wages. Imagine the old hardware they have whne they run W98. Losing just half a workday per year to lack of computing power, and losing some data due to the lack of any security I assume they use IE 5 etc. then) is the most foolish thing a business can do to save $ 100 on an upgrade every year.
Software subscriptions alone cost more than hardware and OS annually. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homemade OS W7 Pro 64 CPU Intel i3 3220 @ 3.3 GHz Motherboard ASRock H77M Memory 2x8GB DDR 3 1600 Kingston Graphics Card onboard Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays two 21" LCD PSU OCZ400MXSP Cooling Stock Hard Drives 128 GB Samsung 830 Internet Speed DSL |
21 Mar 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |
Legacy apps are one the biggest reasons for companies not updating their OS. If it won't run on a newer OS and you can't get the company that wrote it to update it, you get stuck in the dark ages. Its not that they don't want to, it just that sometimes they can't go bigger better faster. I've seen it first hand, its not a pretty picture.
The other side of the picture is training. Productivity can actually go down if you update Windows and say Office, and it's a big change in the user interface. You may have to spend money on training staff on top of the money spent for the new software and hardware. Its big bucks for a large company and a small company with a small budget may not be able to afford to upgrade.
I think most people that are non technical and don't build their own systems aren't going to run out and buy windows 7. When the time comes that they need a new PC they will buy one pre-assembled with the OS already installed and move on then. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 |
21 Mar 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
U said it 
Quote: Originally Posted by Adamd In my opinion I don't really think it matters how often they release a new OS.
I walk into businesses and notice they are still using Windows 2000, sometimes 98 etc and think they will only upgrade when the computer dies and well some computers can last a very very long time. May get outdated but they still work the same as they did when they were new.
This also is the same with consumer computers as well. Only a select few people run out and buy a new version of Windows just because it is new. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Hand Build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD Phenom XII Black Edition 560 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Memory 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3100 (AMD 760G) Sound Card ASUS Xonar DX Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2208WFP 22" Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Logitech Optical/MX518. PSU Corsair VX450 Case Corsair Carbide 400R Cooling Stock (for the time being) Hard Drives 250 GB Seagate.
1 TB WD Green. Internet Speed 60 KBps (Things are different in India LOL) Antivirus AVIRA Free Edition Browser Firefox Other Info Previous set-up:
E5300>E2140 @3.6 Ghz>Q6600 @ 3.8 Ghz with Thermaltake Ultima 90.
Nvidia 8600GT>8800 GT>ATI 4850>ATI 3450>ATI 5770> now ATI 3100 (onboard)
Intel DG965WH>ASUS P5B>ABIT IP35-E>Gigabyte G31-S2L> Gigabyte GA78LMT-USB3.
Corsair Value Select 2GB>Crucial Ballistix 2GB>GSkill 2GB>Corsair Vengeance 4GB.
1.3TB Hdd.
Matrix Server Chassis (with 12 Glacialtech Fans)>Coolermaster Elite 33 |
21 Mar 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit Brooklyn, NY |
They shouldn't be releasing 8 so soon. Windows 7 is going to be the next XP, lasting longer than it should. They should release 8 as a paid service pack or something, like Apple does with OSX. It can't be that much of an improvement. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 3.0GHz Motherboard ASUS M5A97 Memory 8GB G-Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333 Graphics Card PNY GeForce 460 GTX 1GB OC - Enthusiast Edition Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Keyboard 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 2000 PSU OCZ Fata1ty 700W Modular PSU Case ASUS Hard Drives 1TB - Primary
160GB - Secondary
250GB - External backup for important files Internet Speed 3 Mbps/768 kbps |
21 Mar 2010
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
AFAIK it is a fully 64 + bit OS. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED They shouldn't be releasing 8 so soon. Windows 7 is going to be the next XP, lasting longer than it should. They should release 8 as a paid service pack or something, like Apple does with OSX. It can't be that much of an improvement. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Hand Build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD Phenom XII Black Edition 560 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Memory 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Graphics Card ATI Radeon 3100 (AMD 760G) Sound Card ASUS Xonar DX Monitor(s) Displays Dell SP2208WFP 22" Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Logitech Optical/MX518. PSU Corsair VX450 Case Corsair Carbide 400R Cooling Stock (for the time being) Hard Drives 250 GB Seagate.
1 TB WD Green. Internet Speed 60 KBps (Things are different in India LOL) Antivirus AVIRA Free Edition Browser Firefox Other Info Previous set-up:
E5300>E2140 @3.6 Ghz>Q6600 @ 3.8 Ghz with Thermaltake Ultima 90.
Nvidia 8600GT>8800 GT>ATI 4850>ATI 3450>ATI 5770> now ATI 3100 (onboard)
Intel DG965WH>ASUS P5B>ABIT IP35-E>Gigabyte G31-S2L> Gigabyte GA78LMT-USB3.
Corsair Value Select 2GB>Crucial Ballistix 2GB>GSkill 2GB>Corsair Vengeance 4GB.
1.3TB Hdd.
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