| Windows 7: Will Windows 8 Be Faster and Smaller Than Windows 7? |
21 Apr 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 (Build 6.1.7601) Aus, Qld |
Will Windows 8 Be Faster and Smaller Than Windows 7? ” Are you passionate about software performance? Are you excited by the potential to have a positive impact on hundreds of millions of users, by improving their Windows experience? The Windows Fundamentals Performance Test Team is look for a software design engineer who can help us do just that – make future releases of Windows faster, smaller, and more responsive than Windows 7. OS Fundamentals, and specifically performance were a major area of focus during Windows 7 and will be just as important if not more so, during the development of the next version(s).“
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| OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 (Build 6.1.7601) CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (G0 Kentsfield) LGA775 (FC-LGA6) Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R (Rev. 2.1) Memory Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB PC-10600 (2x XMS3 2GB) Graphics Card ASUS nVIDIA GeForce 560 Sound Card RealTek ALC885/889A/890 Monitor(s) Displays ChiMei CMV CT-730D 17inch (LCD Monitor) Screen Resolution 1280-1024 60Hertz (Ture Colour 32bit) Keyboard Labtec Media Desktop Y-SAD65 Mouse Razer DeathAdder 3G Infrared Sensor (1800DPI) PSU ANTEC 750w Earthwatts Case Thermaltake Shark (VA7000SWA ATX) Full Tower Cooling Front 120mm fan (1400 RPM) /Rear 120mm (1400 RPM) blue LED Hard Drives 2x Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 160-GB Hard Drive ST3160815AS (AHCI) Internet Speed Telstra BigPond Elite Liberty ADSL2+ 24Mbps/256kbps Other Info ASUS PCE-N13 802.11n Wireless LAN card |
21 Apr 2010
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#2 | | Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well) |
Have you seen any concrete methods they will use to make Win8 faster?
What parts will be faster?
Sorry, but I remain skeptical. I highly doubt there will be much reduction of services, code optimization or flattening of menu heirarcy. Let alone rewriting the networking stack. Speed will probably come from hardware requirements like most MS OS since 95. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alinor Engineering OS Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well) CPU Intel 920's @ 3.6 and 4.0 GHz Motherboard Asus P6T Memory 3Gb / 6Gb Graphics Card ATI 4850 / ATI 4970 Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 24 / 27" Keyboard Logitech G15 Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU PC Power & Cooling 1K Case Antec 900 (modded) Cooling air / Danger Den water Hard Drives SSD, 1Tb WD
SSD, 3 Raptors raid, 2Tb WD Internet Speed ATT UVerse |
21 Apr 2010
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#3 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate San Diego |
Sure it'll be faster, by then computers will inevitably be faster so... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Scratch built OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU i7 960 Motherboard Asus P6X58D Memory 12 Gig Corsair Dominator Graphics Card Nvidia 480 Sound Card Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech G15 + N52 game pad Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Corasair TX850 Case Cooler Master HAF Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
HDs in AHCI mode. Internet Speed 15kbs down 4.5kbps up Other Info WEI 7.6
CPU & RAM 7.6
Graphics 7.9
Hard disk 7.7 |
21 Apr 2010
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#4 | | MSDN Home Premium West London UK |
The main fight against responsiveness will be partially thwarted by the ever increasing PC threats and the requirement for the AV packages to be constantly on-guard against this ever increasing problem.
I've often considered unplugging the router and disabling my NIS2010 and Spyware Doctor just to see how much faster it would run. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Novatech (UK) iRush Pro OS MSDN Home Premium CPU Intel i5 Motherboard Intel DP55WB Memory 4Gb Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Philips 170B Keyboard Microsoft 3000 Wireless Mouse Microsoft 5000 Wireless BlueTrack PSU 750W Case Antec 300 Cooling Tricool Fans Hard Drives 1 x 1Tb
(7 Partitions) Internet Speed 6.1 Mbps |
21 Apr 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) Redlands, CA |
The MinWin initiative is still in play. While the media assumed this was a new "minikernel" for windows, this was not the case.
The MinWin initiative is a call by call mapping and restructuring of the NT kernel. Windows Vista was the start of this, but the focus was on security. Windows 7 was more focused attention on optimizing calls between USER and Kernel space.
Windows 8 will be a continuation of this.
PhreePhly | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM |
23 Apr 2010
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#6 | | Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well) |

Quote: Originally Posted by KremmenUK The main fight against responsiveness will be partially thwarted by the ever increasing PC threats and the requirement for the AV packages to be constantly on-guard against this ever increasing problem.
I've often considered unplugging the router and disabling my NIS2010 and Spyware Doctor just to see how much faster it would run. I have decades with secure OS's. Windows vulnerabilities are just that, Windows vulnerabilities. OS's can be made virtually virus proof and run stable for years. Microsoft has set their balance on the feature side of feature vs security.
Secure OS's run with instant response on 486 class machines. You can run things like Quake or WoW, but the installs are far from automatic. What is killing our response is ease of use and install, which makes easy prey for hacking.
Look up some of the NRC certified OS for running nuclear plants. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alinor Engineering OS Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well) CPU Intel 920's @ 3.6 and 4.0 GHz Motherboard Asus P6T Memory 3Gb / 6Gb Graphics Card ATI 4850 / ATI 4970 Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 24 / 27" Keyboard Logitech G15 Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU PC Power & Cooling 1K Case Antec 900 (modded) Cooling air / Danger Den water Hard Drives SSD, 1Tb WD
SSD, 3 Raptors raid, 2Tb WD Internet Speed ATT UVerse |
23 Apr 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) Redlands, CA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Duke of Alinor 
Quote: Originally Posted by KremmenUK The main fight against responsiveness will be partially thwarted by the ever increasing PC threats and the requirement for the AV packages to be constantly on-guard against this ever increasing problem.
I've often considered unplugging the router and disabling my NIS2010 and Spyware Doctor just to see how much faster it would run. I have decades with secure OS's. Windows vulnerabilities are just that, Windows vulnerabilities. OS's can be made virtually virus proof and run stable for years. Microsoft has set their balance on the feature side of feature vs security.
Secure OS's run with instant response on 486 class machines. You can run things like Quake or WoW, but the installs are far from automatic. What is killing our response is ease of use and install, which makes easy prey for hacking.
Look up some of the NRC certified OS for running nuclear plants. That is not completely true. If a user, with sufficient credentials, allows a trojan horse to run, even the most secure OS in the world will become infected. Now, by locking down said OS to the point the the User is restricted to performing only a fixed set of instructions, then viritually any OS can be made secure (if it has some form of filed-based access token control).
The problem here is that Windows is on almost 95% of the world's home desktop PCs. The typical user barely understands the basics of computer architecture. How do you expect them to operate such a locked down, fortified OS? MS, more than any other OS vendor has the most difficult job in trying to provide an OS that runs basically on an infinite spread of hardware combinations, has ease of use for the most computer-illiterate population, and is "somewhat" secure.
This is not to say that they haven't made stupid errors. Windows NT should have defaulted to a simple user login and only elevated to Admin ala sudo in *nix. At that point software would have begun the tradition of being written to operate properly in a User only environment. I'm sure others can point out other errors in MS decisions, but don't forget the scale that they operate in and the relative stupidity of the average user.
PhreePhly | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM |
23 Apr 2010
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#8 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |
Hi all
I really wonder at the "Usefulness"of a "Faster OS" -- at least for around 90% of users out there.
Most users aren't constrained by the speed of the OS but often by totally external factors like the speed of their Internet connection or the "Officey" types of applications they are running - such as word processing or Power point presentations.
There's NO point in having a super slick OS if 99.99999% of the time if it's waiting for keyboard input from the user.
Even the much aligned VISTA could be made to run acceptably if the hardware was OK and you had decent fast DISKS / I/O devices and graphics card.
I think we'll see more "Specialized" OS'es for Gaming and very high speed complex mathematical computation but I doubt whether we will need "faster OS'es" just for the sake of it.
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
23 Apr 2010
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#9 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
If that was the generally accepted perspective, we could probably go back to the Model T. Just because the driver may be old or slow, doesn't mean that he doesn't appreciate a fast, slick sportscar. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
23 Apr 2010
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#10 | | HP Win7 Pro x64 | Custom Win7 Pro x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by KremmenUK The main fight against responsiveness will be partially thwarted by the ever increasing PC threats and the requirement for the AV packages to be constantly on-guard against this ever increasing problem.
I've often considered unplugging the router and disabling my NIS2010 and Spyware Doctor just to see how much faster it would run. Many of these software developers are actually taking this into consideration. Example...poor as it may be: The new Norton practically hibernates when a full screen application is launched. This is a start, and I feel certain it will grow and become popular. People will not put up with AV software drowning their systems.
However AV hardly slows down the typical PC, except for very low spec machines that aren't maintained well. People are gradually becoming more and more proficient with software, not really hardware, but certainly software. These plus emerging technologies will by a large margin supersede any issue with AV performance loss. Multi-core, 64bit, and much more, simply put. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HPE-112y Custom + Custom Build OS HP Win7 Pro x64 | Custom Win7 Pro x64 CPU HP PhII X4 965 Black Ed. 3.4Ghz | PhII X6 1100T 3.3/3.7 Motherboard OEM HP | ASUS Crosshair IV Extreme 890FX Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 OC Black Edition x2 Graphics Card HP XFX Radeon HD4890 1GB | AMD Radeon HD 6990 Sound Card Realtek 7.1 Digital HDMI x2 Monitor(s) Displays HP 20" 1680x1050 LCD | Samsung 23" 2ms 1920x1200 LED Screen Resolution 1680x1050 + 1920x1200 & HDTV for Gaming/TV Keyboard HP G15 | G19 Mouse G500 x2 PSU Thermaltake Black Widow 850watt Modular x2 Case HP HPE- 112y OEM Modded | Custom Xclio A380S Cooling HP Antec120mm | Custom Antec 360mm/250mm/200mm/120mm Hard Drives 1TB WD "Green" 5,400 RPM SCSI W/ AMD RAID/Xpert
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